Clipping a rib with the .270

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gelert said:
Absolutely, but a clean chest-shot deer with minimal bruising may deserve just as much as a head-shot carcass. It’s not about the shot it’s about the outcome.
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I don't think so.
As someone who processes and retails venison, I know exactly how much I can pay per kg for a head shot fallow pricket or young doe and still leave myself with a tidy margin, and believe me it's a lot more than game dealer price. But the flip side of the coin is that I wouldn't be interested in buying any chest shot carcasses in skin, because you just don't know what you're getting. So I don't want them. To me, they're just not worth bothering with unless I shot them myself (ie, they didn't cost me anything).
 
gelert said:
I agree, but my point is the current market wide value of venison in the UK does not rely on how clean a carcass is presented. Suddenly flooding the UK venison market with head shot deer and well presented carcasses won't suddenly increase the price of venison. Presenting a clean carcass to your game dealer it’s not enough to push national market prices up.
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I agree but I'm not suggesting there needs to be a market wide increase but that game dealers should be more flexible with their pricing and pay according to the quality of venison they get.

Once their venison is inspected at the processing end the price will be set based on fat content and meat damage so why shouldn't this price be reflected in what the stalker gets for the deer they drop off.

I appreciate this is difficult if stalkers are paid at the time they drop a carcass off but if they get paid in arrears (like most do) then by tracing the tag number there is no reason not to alter the price paid to the stalker.

I also appreciate this only benefits those stalkers who put well presented carcasses with minimal wastage into a game dealer.
 
VSS said:
I don't think so.
As someone who processes and retails venison, I know exactly how much I can pay per kg for a head shot fallow pricket or young doe and still leave myself with a tidy margin, and believe me it's a lot more than game dealer price. But the flip side of the coin is that I wouldn't be interested in buying any chest shot carcasses in skin, because you just don't know what you're getting. So I don't want them. To me, they're just not worth bothering with.
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I can appreciate that someone like yourself a fred in a shed processor, you can be picky with what you buy in and sell on. It's entirely your perogative to accept or decline any deer you can't be bothered with. That said, I think it's worth discussing whether an outright refusal to buy chest-shot carcasses might be a bit too rigid especially given the reality of deer management in the field.
From experience, a clean chest-shot beast, gralloched promptly and chilled properly, can still produce excellent venison. Obviously as Quixote photo shows you get the occasional bloodshot shoulder, as I imagine 99.9% of us on here have experienced at some point after skinning. But with a bit of assessment you can still make use of them even if only for trim, sausages, or dog food. In some cases, the quality is more than good enough for cuts.
 
gelert said:
I can appreciate that someone like yourself a fred in a shed processor, you can be picky with what you buy in and sell on. It's entirely your perogative to accept or decline any deer you can't be bothered with. That said, I think it's worth discussing whether an outright refusal to buy chest-shot carcasses might be a bit too rigid especially given the reality of deer management in the field.
From experience, a clean chest-shot beast, gralloched promptly and chilled properly, can still produce excellent venison. Obviously as Quixote photo shows you get the occasional bloodshot shoulder, as I imagine 99.9% of us on here have experienced at some point after skinning. But with a bit of assessment you can still make use of them even if only for trim, sausages, or dog food. In some cases, the quality is more than good enough for cuts.
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Agreed.
But as you can see the damage can't be fully assessed until after skinning.
So, either we need a system whereby chest shot carcases are assessed after skinning and payment made accordingly, or stalkers accept a "worst case" price across the board for in-skin chest shot carcasses which is low, just to get carcasses shifted (but then you've effectively got the good producers subsidising the poor ones, which I think is wrong).
 
One of the benefits of a monolithic bullet with chest shots, is that you are pretty certain that 99% of the bullet has remained in one piece and exited the carcass. There is very little chance the meat is contaminated with metal fragments.

This means that the vast majority of the meat can be used. Perhaps not necessarily for prime cuts.

Head / neck shots versus boiler room. Always going to be contentious, and really comes to a matter of individual judgement. Head / neck shots are effective but very easy to go wrong. I have shot plenty of deer with a head / neck shot. I have also had it go wrong, but been able to clear up the mess. At times it is the only option for a clean shot.

A head / neck shot is a stunning shot, not necessarily a killing shot, as it may or may not lead to catastrophic blood loss.

A bullet through the boiler room causes catastrophic damage to blood system and the animal will quickly die from rapid loss of blood pressure and supply of oxygenated blood to the organs. Depending on the exact shot placement, the Central Nervous System may or may not be impacted resulting in a immediate stun and dropping on the spot.

Hunting is always a matter of choice, but often you have to make a decision pretty quickly. It’s worth thinking these things through ahead of time and consider how you will deal with things if / when things do go wrong.

Coming back to the dealers, they have to bear the cost of disposing of the inedible parts of the carcass. Given that it is contaminated with lead, I understand that such meat has to be disposed as “contaminated” and thus has a high cost of disposal.

Interestingly in Germany carcasses always have the bloodshot bits cut away at the larder and they not sent to the market with all the blood shot parts.
 
VSS said:
A good example to show to all those who don't think that a carcass from a head shot deer should attract a higher price than one from a chest shot deer.
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I have no problem accepting a lower price for chest shot.

I butcher enough of my own to appreciate the mess chest shots can often be. And to appreciate just how glorious a clean head shot carcass is.

I think a lot of people don’t like to admit that they’re really treating the dealers as a form of waste disposal that unusually pays you for the privilege. Certainly I tend to only put carcasses into the dealer when I shoot too many to process myself - and I’m always delighted by the fact that I get some money back!
 
When I first started with the .270, I used 110gr soft points shooting roe deer. More often than not, carcasses looked like they had had a claymore go off in their chest. Literally bursting guts with heart shots. It was horrendous. The very best carcasses had very heavy bruising in them.

After I switched to copper bullets, they were much cleaner carcasses. Entry and exit holes and far less bruising. Same weight bullet, just less explosive expansion.
 
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This so called "bruising" is a couple of things, if you lay the deer down on the side it is hit then the blood will migrate and spread out as it is looking for somewhere to go. Look at a black nail the blood pools under the nail from the trauma.
It is quite obvious it is daft... Fallow I have shot 5 mins from home go on the hoist and bleed out home hung again to cool
ones from a 1/2 hour extraction 1/2 hour home laying down then the blood will pool in the lowest point.:doh:🙄

Stretch a rabbits neck hang it the blood/bruising goes back into the shoulders. Chop the neck and the blood pools in the head neck.
My dear old Dad knew who had killed the rabbits from when we brought the home I chopped the neck Chris stretched them :doh:

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I currently use 6.5PRC for my deer stalking, it can be messy, even with copper rounds
One of the fellas I shoot with, who actually owns one of our larders, begs me to neck/head shoot if at all possible
I don't blame him after I saw the mess made around the exit wound by a Hornady PH bullet recently - that was on a roe buck at 150m or so - the offside shoulder was ruined even though not actually hit
But of course, the 6.5PRC & .270w are virtual ballistic twins so similar damage is perhaps to be expected
Some good photos on this thread, I always feel guily/lazy because I rarely stop to record impact/exit wounds and/or internal damage, maybe I ought to more often
 
geoshot said:
Good bullet them Barnes TTSX, liked them in my 30-06 for similar reasons
I'm going to try the LRX in my 6.5, because they were in stock when I was buying but the TTSX weren't
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They are an outstanding projectile, with my 7x57, I was intending to load 140’s and that’s what I intended to say but 150s slipped out (I blame several pints of Guinness!🙈) and then I was promptly told I wouldn’t get them to work they wouldn’t stabilise(18” barrel!) so 140s went out the window and I’ve now got a fair heap of 150s and they work so that’s what I’m going to use and I’m fully expecting similar damage!

Driven sensibly and at the correct weight for calibre I find them flawless 👌 always have done
 
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