Copper shot?

Ratcatcher

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Am I being particularly thick ( a distinct possibility) but why can't we shoot copper shot in shotguns? Surely it's softer and heavier than steel, I have no "O" levels in chemistry as you have no doubt realised, is copper bad for you? Somebody please make the answers really simples!
 
Copper very much could be used but as has been pointed out it is expensive and also quite hard. Not as hard as soft iron (aka steel) shot but still hard. There's a chart somewhere on the internet comparing the various metals used. Here:

 
It’s a bit denser than steel but still nearer to iron than lead.

Cost wise, steel is the cheapest as raw material with lead costing more and copper quite a bit more. That doesn’t factor in manufacturing, with lead being very easy to make shot from. I’d assume copper is going to be more like steel.

It would seem a better substitute than steel for density (but not massively) and as it’s softer, so perhaps allowing fibre wads.

On the other hand, I wonder if the cost would end up so near ‘better’ substitutes that it just wouldn’t be viable.
 
Copper isn't toxic in the way lead is. I tend to think the whole anti-lead thing is being pushed based upon a lot of conjecture and seriously doubt whether even the most vehemently anti-lead individuals really think banning it will lead to an increase in bird species (as it must, if it's currently acting as a massive population suppressant).

However, there is no real equivalence between lead and copper. Lead has no beneficial role to play in human biology, whereas copper does. Harm can be caused by very high levels of copper, but that's true of most things - water toxaemia is a thing. The real issue with lead is how much harm it really does when introduced to the environment from shot and bullets and, where the harm is to human health, whether the choice as to take the risk of harm ought to be left to the individual, as it is with so many other things.

In any event, and to those who love to talk about 'copper toxicity' as a reason not to ban lead, what's the jacket on most rifle bullets made from?!
 
Copper isn't toxic in the way lead is. I tend to think the whole anti-lead thing is being pushed based upon a lot of conjecture and seriously doubt whether even the most vehemently anti-lead individuals really think banning it will lead to an increase in bird species (as it must, if it's currently acting as a massive population suppressant).

However, there is no real equivalence between lead and copper. Lead has no beneficial role to play in human biology, whereas copper does. Harm can be caused by very high levels of copper, but that's true of most things - water toxaemia is a thing. The real issue with lead is how much harm it really does when introduced to the environment from shot and bullets and, where the harm is to human health, whether the choice as to take the risk of harm ought to be left to the individual, as it is with so many other things.

In any event, and to those who love to talk about 'copper toxicity' as a reason not to ban lead, what's the jacket on most rifle bullets made from?!
Gilding metal, copper and zinc.
 
I think what will however be the next line of attack, by the "antis", when lead is banned is the microplastics released when biodegradeable plastic wads break down.
Exactly.
Only deluded idiots believe this will stop them.
They are already planning their next move!
 
siarm used to sell pure copper shot for reloading, but now show none listed

and Vouzelaud used to sell cartridges with pure copper shot but again link not showing any.

Guess the price of copper has not made it viable, compared to steel and for small cartridge manufacturers components are difficult to get.

But pure copper shot is certainly an option as is gold 😊
 
With steel shot cartridges there is a shot cup that contains all the pellets. The shotcup is flexible enough to take in the variations in the size of the bores.
 
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