The demise of lead shot...

Pedro

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So, it transpires that lead shot will be no more in the summer of 2029. Which gives us 4 game bird seasons. Apparently there will be lead shot to be had up until that time, although some of the more unusual loads will go out of production. So I guess the thing to do is to bang away with what lead shot you've got and if you buy more, make sure you don't buy stocks that'll last you past the summer of 2029. In the meantime, I guess it'll be no bad idea to buy the odd box of alternative shot to see what you can get on with.

This isn't a thread for folk to bemoan the loss of lead and explain why it shouldn't happen. There's been a good bit on here about that already and, whatever you think now, sadly you will be urinating into the wind. Happening it is and the only thing we can do is make the best of it. Which, unless your pockets are deep enough for tungsten matrix or bismuth, is steel, no doubt going up a size or two.

Just looking on the Just Cartridges site, Gamebore 12ga 32g 5's are £89 for a box of 25 cartridges. Or £769 for a slab. But they're out of stock.
On the plus side, Gamebore Bismuth 12ga 4's are an absolute steal in comparison at £433 a slab. And, you lucky lot, there's some in stock.

So, steel it'll be then, barring some as yet unforeseen breakthrough in pellet technology.
 
Having shot steel on practically every thing legal over the last 15 years including fox drives and foreshore geese , its no big deal for 20 bore , 12 and 10 . I have a reasonable amount of small shot size bismuth so the 410 will continue to be used . Things will be fine my end
DONT FEAR STEEL the only downside are those older thin walled barrels . I run hot load steel BBB down an old Mossberg ( it has a chamber for RTO 3" but i actually prefer RTO closure .
Steel in many respects is better , like on the fox drives we used to do number 2, BB and BBB steel penetrate though winter coats better and get great DRT kills . You will however have to be mindful not to take those silly long range shots as the speed drops off to none lethal speeds in a somewhat abrupt fashion
DONT SHOOT INTO trees and such though because you will get a pellet bounce back at you ! Myself and my daughter have both been hit hard by rebounding shot
 
Shot hundreds of pigeons with 32gm steel 4s in 12b…. Nowadays I shot a 20b most and I’m not sure with that.
Me too , I really don’t mind the stuff . As long as I can still get half decent steel loads at a reasonable price it won’t change my shooting , but we’re see .
 
So, it transpires that lead shot will be no more in the summer of 2029. Which gives us 4 game bird seasons. Apparently there will be lead shot to be had up until that time, although some of the more unusual loads will go out of production. So I guess the thing to do is to bang away with what lead shot you've got and if you buy more, make sure you don't buy stocks that'll last you past the summer of 2029. In the meantime, I guess it'll be no bad idea to buy the odd box of alternative shot to see what you can get on with.

This isn't a thread for folk to bemoan the loss of lead and explain why it shouldn't happen. There's been a good bit on here about that already and, whatever you think now, sadly you will be urinating into the wind. Happening it is and the only thing we can do is make the best of it. Which, unless your pockets are deep enough for tungsten matrix or bismuth, is steel, no doubt going up a size or two.

Just looking on the Just Cartridges site, Gamebore 12ga 32g 5's are £89 for a box of 25 cartridges. Or £769 for a slab. But they're out of stock.
On the plus side, Gamebore Bismuth 12ga 4's are an absolute steal in comparison at £433 a slab. And, you lucky lot, there's some in stock.

So, steel it'll be then, barring some as yet unforeseen breakthrough in pellet technology.
I'm hoping that Hortonium becomes readily available, but as a 20 bore user I keep running into aspirational stocklists, I've pretty much resigned myself to shooting less often and using bismuth ...... if I can get it locally!
 
My take on all of this. Steel works. I have been using it for a good while, both down on the foreshore (high speed steel, and in my game guns - mostly 2 1/2” standard steel in 12,16 and 20.

I think we have four major cartridge manufacturers in the UK, Gamebore, Lyalvale, Hull Cartridges and Eley Hawk Ltd. Their accounts are all available on companies house, albeit not all publish full accounts. Those that publish full are showing between £15 and £22m turnover with £1 to £3m additions in the retained profit line on the balance sheet in the most recent sets of accounts filed. So they all look to be making good money and in pretty good health.

Together they account for £70m odd in sales from the factory gate. Then you add in the likes of Fiocchi etc which are imported.

Going back ti the accounts, they don’t split sales of lead and non lead cartridges, although one did mention that the major cost was lead ingots, whilst steel shot and bismuth was insignificant. I would guess that at most in 2024 steel accounted for 10% of their turnover. Happy to be proven wrong.

All have a good range of steel cartridges already developed.

Given the proposed lead ban, all of the above manufacturers face a significant challenge to their businesses. They either switch over to steel or go out of business, and that’s a choice for the shareholders and directors to take.

I think there is one UK manufacturer, the Steel Shot Company Steel Shot Company- The Lead Free Alternative that already makes and supplies steel shot in various formats, to the trade and direct to reloaders - via clay and game website. I suspect they have a bright future.

There also seem to be a number who make steel shot for industrial applications such as shot blasting. Haven’t a clue whether or not these can shot of specifications for shotgun use.

Wads - The key with using steel is a decent cup type wad so that there is no contact between the barrels and the shot itself. Plastic wads in all guages have been used for a long time. They offer many advantages over traditional round flat, fibre type wads which are mid 1800s technology. But you have the very real problem of plastic pollution.

There is a lot of ongoing work in eco friendly wads that combine the benefits of plastic wads with the natural ability to breakdown of cardboard, paper, fibre. There is a lot going on at a material science level within the packaging sector and this will filter through.

There are however already several products being loaded into cartridges that are being used in the field.

There will be a requirement for investment from the industry. But given the current levels of profitability the money is there, and the money is there for the future. A significant proportion of developing new product and technologies can be supported by schemes such as Research and Development tax credits. And depending on which part of the country they are in, there are CAPEX grants for new machinery etc etc.

As regards Bismuth, Tungsten, Hortonium etc - such materials are and will be of interest to those who do not want to use steel for whatever reason. They are expensive and always will be. I suspect that developments in wad technology will give users the confidence to use steel in the older guns.

And time will also take care of things. I do use an Alex Martin Sidelock 12bore built in 1921 with Eley Grand Prix Steel. It is already 104 years old. It’s a beautiful gun to use, but I use it sparingly. I am not so much worried about the barrels, but it broke a swivel that links the main spring to the tumbler. That was a £250 + VAT repair. 25 years ago there were several gunsmiths here in Edinburgh that could easily have made a new one. Now it’s a 60 mile plus drive to a gunsmith who can do this work, and most already have their free bus passes.

I see old guns, like old cars and old boats. They are things of utter beauty to be used sparingly cause when they break down you either have to have the skills your self, or pay through the nose to have them repaired.

Or simply accept that the gun you use has a finite life - just like any other tool, and when it gets beyond economic repair you change it.

Most modern guns are perfectly capable of shooting non toxic ammunition all day and everyday. And most shooters, shooting high volumes are shooting modern robust guns that are built for the job.

I think we will look back on the transition to steel as just another development on the firearms. 1860’s, 70’s and 80’s - huge discussions on the demise of muzzleloaders and the introduction of breech loaders. Breech loaders treated with huge suspicion, with many different designs, many of which are now lost in mists of history. Hammerless guns again treated with great suspicion- many viewed them as unsafe etc.
 
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My take on all of this. Steel works. I have been using it for a good while, both down on the foreshore (high speed steel, and in my game guns - mostly 2 1/2” standard steel in 12,16 and 20.

I think we have four major cartridge manufacturers in the UK, Gamebore, Lyalvale, Hull Cartridges and Eley Hawk Ltd. Their accounts are all available on companies house, albeit not all publish full accounts. Those that publish full are showing between £15 and £22m turnover with £1 to £3m additions in the retained profit line on the balance sheet in the most recent sets of accounts filed. So they all look to be making good money and in pretty good health.

Together they account for £70m odd in sales from the factory gate. Then you add in the likes of Fiocchi etc which are imported.

Going back ti the accounts, they don’t split sales of lead and non lead cartridges, although one did mention that the major cost was lead ingots, whilst steel shot and bismuth was insignificant. I would guess that at most in 2024 steel accounted for 10% of their turnover. Happy to be proven wrong.

All have a good range of steel cartridges already developed.

Given the proposed lead ban, all of the above manufacturers face a significant challenge to their businesses. They either switch over to steel or go out of business, and that’s a choice for the shareholders and directors to take.

I think there is one UK manufacturer, the Steel Shot Company Steel Shot Company- The Lead Free Alternative that already makes and supplies steel shot in various formats, to the trade and direct to reloaders - via clay and game website. I suspect they have a bright future.

There also seem to be a number who make steel shot for industrial applications such as shot blasting. Haven’t a clue whether or not these can shot of specifications for shotgun use.

Wads - The key with using steel is a decent cup type wad so that there is no contact between the barrels and the shot itself. Plastic wads in all guages have been used for a long time. They offer many advantages over traditional round flat, fibre type wads which are mid 1800s technology. But you have the very real problem of plastic pollution.

There is a lot of ongoing work in eco friendly wads that combine the benefits of plastic wads with the natural ability to breakdown of cardboard, paper, fibre. There is a lot going on at a material science level within the packaging sector and this will filter through.

There are however already several products being loaded into cartridges that are being used in the field.

There will be a requirement for investment from the industry. But given the current levels of profitability the money is there, and the money is there for the future. A significant proportion of developing new product and technologies can be supported by schemes such as Research and Development tax credits. And depending on which part of the country they are in, there are CAPEX grants for new machinery etc etc.

As regards Bismuth, Tungsten, Hortonium etc - such materials are and will be of interest to those who do not want to use steel for whatever reason. They are expensive and always will be. I suspect that developments in wad technology will give users the confidence to use steel in the older guns.

And time will also take care of things. I do use an Alex Martin Sidelock 12bore built in 1921 with Eley Grand Prix Steel. It is already 104 years old. It’s a beautiful gun to use, but I use it sparingly. I am not so much worried about the barrels, but it broke a swivel that links the main spring to the tumbler. That was a £250 + VAT repair. 25 years ago there were several gunsmiths here in Edinburgh that could easily have made a new one. Now it’s a 60 mile plus drive to a gunsmith who can do this work, and most already have their free bus passes.

I see old guns, like old cars and old boats. They are things of utter beauty to be used sparingly cause when they break down you either have to have the skills your self, or pay through the nose to have them repaired.

Or simply accept that the gun you use has a finite life - just like any other tool, and when it gets beyond economic repair you change it.

Most modern guns are perfectly capable of shooting non toxic ammunition all day and everyday. And most shooters, shooting high volumes are shooting modern robust guns that are built for the job.

I think we will look back on the transition to steel as just another development on the firearms. 1860’s, 70’s and 80’s - huge discussions on the demise of muzzleloaders and the introduction of breech loaders. Breech loaders treated with huge suspicion, with many different designs, many of which are now lost in mists of history. Hammerless guns again treated with great suspicion- many viewed them as unsafe etc.
And all this in just,3 years, quite ambitious timescales. The fly in the ointment that the shooting community is not talking about and livestock farmers are is whether biowads are any more acceptable to them than ordinary plastic wads. There needs to be a great deal of reassurance offered by the cartridge manufacturers towards landowners ahead of the lead ban.
 
And all this in just,3 years, quite ambitious timescales. The fly in the ointment that the shooting community is not talking about and livestock farmers are is whether biowads are any more acceptable to them than ordinary plastic wads. There needs to be a great deal of reassurance offered by the cartridge manufacturers towards landowners ahead of the lead ban.
3 years is a long time to set up production lines. If you put your mind to it you could do it in a few weeks. I doubt much is actually needed on the cartridge production lines, switching from melting lead ingots are forming lead shot to doing steel shot from iron ingots will take a change in machinery and thus investment. But foundry equipment for melting and casting or spraying molten steel is readily available and a common manufacturing process.

Re livestock and biowads, that is an education process. At least you are not putting lead onto grassland where livestock are then exposed to it. A surprising number of livestock do suffer lead poisoning - see the attached paper.

 
3 years is a long time to set up production lines. If you put your mind to it you could do it in a few weeks. I doubt much is actually needed on the cartridge production lines, switching from melting lead ingots are forming lead shot to doing steel shot from iron ingots will take a change in machinery and thus investment. But foundry equipment for melting and casting or spraying molten steel is readily available and a common manufacturing process.

Re livestock and biowads, that is an education process. At least you are not putting lead onto grassland where livestock are then exposed to it. A surprising number of livestock do suffer lead poisoning - see the attached paper.

Its not me that you need to convince about biowads, its all the landowners and farmers that generously permit us on their land.

Not once have any of those whose land I've been on had any concerns about lead shot, plastic wads however are not allowed.

I'll leave you to "educate" them, might I suggest that you start with the CLA & NFU?
 
3 years is a long time to set up production lines. If you put your mind to it you could do it in a few weeks. I doubt much is actually needed on the cartridge production lines, switching from melting lead ingots are forming lead shot to doing steel shot from iron ingots will take a change in machinery and thus investment. But foundry equipment for melting and casting or spraying molten steel is readily available and a common manufacturing process.

Re livestock and biowads, that is an education process. At least you are not putting lead onto grassland where livestock are then exposed to it. A surprising number of livestock do suffer lead poisoning - see the attached paper.

Did you actually read that report? Two incidents (multiple victims), of battery lead and one of animals grazing near a lead mine!
Not one case of livestock poisoned by lead shot.
So not particularly relevant to the lead shot debate, but no doubt the statistics were extrapolated to support the lead shot ban.
 
Did you actually read that report? Two incidents (multiple victims), of battery lead and one of animals grazing near a lead mine!
Not one case of livestock poisoned by lead shot.
So not particularly relevant to the lead shot debate, but no doubt the statistics were extrapolated to support the lead shot ban.
Yes you will note in page 5 that it does make reference of other sources of lead contamination farmers should be aware of including lead shot.
 
3 years is a long time to set up production lines. If you put your mind to it you could do it in a few weeks. I doubt much is actually needed on the cartridge production lines, switching from melting lead ingots are forming lead shot to doing steel shot from iron ingots will take a change in machinery and thus investment. But foundry equipment for melting and casting or spraying molten steel is readily available and a common manufacturing process.

Re livestock and biowads, that is an education process. At least you are not putting lead onto grassland where livestock are then exposed to it. A surprising number of livestock do suffer lead poisoning - see the attached paper.


you have not got a clue how the industry operates, tell me what steel manufacturing industry do we in the u.k. have?
Good luck opening up a steel shot production line in a few weeks.

Then steel shot is not cast or sprayed, it’s made like making ball bearings hence its uniformity, google making ball bearings you may lean something.

You are so out of step with reality.

The closure of Ravenscraig in 1992.
Port Talbot, closure of the blast furnaces in September 2024

Scunthorpe Steelworks is probably the last u.k. producer.
 
Together they account for £70m odd in sales from the factory gate. Then you add in the likes of Fiocchi etc which are imported.


I think there is one UK manufacturer, the Steel Shot Company Steel Shot Company- The Lead Free Alternative that already makes and supplies steel shot in various formats, to the trade and direct to reloaders - via clay and game website. I suspect they have a bright future.

Fiocchi own Express in the U.K. so lots of Fiocchi product is now made in the U.k.

Stephen owns the steel shot company, he does not make steel shot in the u.k. he used to have some ownership of a company in China but sold out, so now like all steel shot, just sources and imports it from China.
Stephen’s family started gamebore but he is no longer involved with gamebore,

As for Bismuth and tungsten based shot, yes a few will use it but it is not a replacement for lead.
The price of bismuth has increased considerably over the last year and guess the biggest producer of bismuth?
yes you got it China.
 
And 11th April 2025

Why is the Scunthorpe plant losing money? In late March 2025, Jingye said the plant was losing around £700,000 a day and launched a consultation on its closure.

If you want steel shot cartridges in 2029 I would buy them now 😊
 
Hello, On the Just Carts web site Gamebore super steel 32g 5s are £479 per 1000s £137 per 250 , Where did you get your prices Pedro ?, I agree on Wildfowling and steel carts but if your not selling pigeons a lot of people will carry on using lead cartridges, Who is going to check ???? , There is tons of lead in the ground any way and has anyone died who has lead water pipes, There are still many properties in Wallingford with lead service water mains
 
Hello, On the Just Carts web site Gamebore super steel 32g 5s are £479 per 1000s £137 per 250 , Where did you get your prices Pedro ?, I agree on Wildfowling and steel carts but if your not selling pigeons a lot of people will carry on using lead cartridges, Who is going to check ???? , There is tons of lead in the ground any way and has anyone died who has lead water pipes, There are still many properties in Wallingford with lead service water mains
And mine.
 
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