Will steel shot work in a flintlock?

[Heym SR20]

where should SD source some suitable shot cups that measure .63”?

Haven’t a clue. Perhaps a maker of shot cups, but 0.63” a bit smaller than 16 bore, or use bismuth or some other softer shot such as Hortonium if/when it becomes available.

Or write to the secretary of state asking for a derogation to allow use of lead in historic guns where no other ammunition is suitable, indeed you could go as far as setting up an international competition for such shooting and put yourself on the British team and get a derogation that way.

 

[tackb]

if it was the difference between using it or selling it i think i'd try eco 20g wads 20ga V-Series Wad for 2-3/4" and 3" hulls - COMING SOON! - Eco Shot those are not available yet but i reckon one of those on top of an over powder wad then your shot charge then another piece of card could work ? it's 0.615 but 70gr of FFG will swell it to fit ! just a thought if it means you can protect your gun and still use it ?

obvs the ideal solution is no lead ban because it is utter nonsense but i fear we've been sold down the river unfortunately

 

[Smellydog]

Thanks for the advice but no plastic goes in my muzzleloaders. I am not circumnavigating prejudiced bull****.
They and their vegan lefty dreamers can do one sharpish.

 

[Smallholder]

If you're going to try a 20g wad then the Joker card wads might be worth a try. JOCKER BIODEGRADABLE WADS (MAX 300 OF EACH WAD PER ORDER)

Although they always seem to be sold out whenever I look, and I've been waiting for probably a year for the .410 paper cups.

I've tried the clay and game copper plated steel shot in my percussion ML. Put a few dozen loads though it without noticing any damage, but I've no idea what it will do to other guns.

Edit to add, if you do a google there's plenty of people who've made their own shot cups. Might be worth a go.

 

[palmer_mike]

No reason why today you shouldn’t use a more environmentally friendly wad / cup that breaks down.

other than they may not exist in the size needed?

 

[HonestJohn]

other than they may not exist in the size needed?

3d print in biodegradable material for own consumption?

 

[Heym SR20]

3d print in biodegradable material for own consumption?

Would never work - it would require a teenager to run the computer design and printing.

 

[cjm1066]

Its good to see expermentation and successful out comes, that will help the sport thrive into the future.

 

[HonestJohn]

I think, think, it’s @takbok who does some 3d printing, would be interesting to hear his views of biodegradable wad cups is feasible, even for home/small scale use only

 

[takbok]

I think, think, it’s @takbok who does some 3d printing, would be interesting to hear his views of biodegradable wad cups is feasible, even for home/small scale use only

3d printing a wad would be very easy and cheap. Finding a material that will do the job well and be bidegradable might be the biggest challenge.

 

[HonestJohn]

3d printing a wad would be very easy and cheap. Finding a material that will do the job well and be bidegradable might be the biggest challenge.

Thanks for the reply, that’s quite intriguing

 

[takbok]

Thanks for the reply, that’s quite intriguing

I would try something like this:

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[tackb]

3d printing a wad would be very easy and cheap. Finding a material that will do the job well and be bidegradable might be the biggest challenge.

well as far as i know it's not actually a legal requirement for wads to be bio degradable ? it's a voluntary thing at the moment ?

so with the amount smellydog shoots his flintlock it's unlikely to be an issue ? although personally i'm not keen on plastic littering the countryside but i think shotgun wads are a tiny issue compared to other sources

 

[timbrayford]

what sort of velocity are you getting? likely it will take many shots to show any damage however unlike a shotgun you have i think no forcing cone in a muzzle loader, it’s the forcing cone that is most at risk together with the chokes.
Hence why the forcing cone is getting longer in many current production shotguns.

edit to add your right about the quality of the shot, that looks bad quality, steel shot is normally very spherical and blemish fee, also dimensionally accurate, this being the benefits of steel shot.

Its not just the choke forcing cone that can be problematic in a shotgun not designed for steel shot but the one at the end of the chamber too, I've seen a Miroku with just such a ring bulged caused by steel shot in my local gunshop.

 

[timbrayford]

well as far as i know it's not actually a legal requirement for wads to be bio degradable ? it's a voluntary thing at the moment ?

so with the amount smellydog shoots his flintlock it's unlikely to be an issue ? although personally i'm not keen on plastic littering the countryside but i think shotgun wads are a tiny issue compared to other sources

Not if the landowner forbids plastic wads, its not just litter but discarded plastics are a bit of a hot top regarding ruminant welfare at the moment.

 

[Smellydog]

Not if the landowner forbids plastic wads, its not just litter but discarded plastics are a bit of a hot top regarding ruminant welfare at the moment.

The vegans have lined us up very well for the next narrative of attack towards us don't you think friend?

 

[PEA]

I have done a few 3d wads for a guy who was testing. They seemed to work ok as far as i know.

 

[Heym SR20]

I have done a few 3d wads for a guy who was testing. They seemed to work ok as far as i know.

Perhaps @palmer_mike should have a chat with you as regards making his 0.63” wads that he is struggling to find.

 

[Liveonce]

Some information on pigeon watch (sorry) about 3d printed wads.

 

[Smellydog]

Perhaps @palmer_mike should have a chat with you as regards making his 0.63” wads that he is struggling to find.

Perhaps boneheads will never understand the desire to not tip yet more plastic into the environment as that has been proven to be a bad thing!