Covid, Luck of it, to catch or not.

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charlieboy-shooter

charlieboy-shooter

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Hi Guys,

Not wanting to hi-Jack anyone’s thread and please bear with me as I will get to the titles point.
However after reading the different threads in different sections but with the same theme about Tier 4 and continuation of stalking or not, and all the views and points that go with it. etc. etc.
It got me thinking about people’s views and opinions about people being responsible or not during these times and the judgement made by others on their actions. Some possibly hold the view that if you catch Covid you are an irresponsible individual. Probably one of the people still stalking.
However I firmly believe as with most aspect of life there is an element of luck, good or bad if you catch it.
I for one have recently recovered from it. In my mind I have taken all practical precautions since March. Socially, nothing. Attend work throughout as unable to work from home. (Face mask for 12 hrs shift, gloves etc and separated myself from my 3 shift colleagues) I accepted the risks from work.
However I caught it from my teenage son who in turn caught it from school. ( which is an entire different debate) His social life consist of screaming down the Xbox which I’m sure is Covid safe. School clearly is not.
So I believe that despite our actions, Luck or on my part bad luck plays apart in it.
I fully agree though that it’s not Covid which spreads Covid but it’s us, People. Some just have more luck than others and unfortunately some pay the ultimate price. So yes I am and have been taking it seriously.
I hope you all Stay safe if you decide to stalk or not.
 
I am in tier 4 so locked down , several days shooting being cancelled. Previous days all guns stuck to the rule on distance etc. However going down our small town after school finished all the kids messing about, fighting and taking no precautions. So feel I am paying for others not following rules
 
Liveonce said:
Everybody runs out of luck eventually, do you feel lucky?
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I do. Lucky to live where I do, doing what I do, the pandemic hasn't affected my daily life at all. But that's just me. The effect on others, even other members of my own household, has been dire. And of course, I feel that too. Feel their frustrations, disappointments and fears. That side of things - having to provide constant moral support for others - is draining me down.
 
I mentioned on another thread that my wife tested positive on xmas eve and was taken to hospital on boxing day, were she still is.
Im negative and i cant nail down were she might have caught it.
She says the fatigue is terrible and cough debilitating. Currently on oxygen, steroids and numerous xrays.
As above i never really thought about it and as we are not in the at risk group we just took normal precautions, masks and hand washing.
Now im just hoping there will be no lasting affects on her.
 
del.gue said:
I mentioned on another thread that my wife tested positive on xmas eve and was taken to hospital on boxing day, were she still is.
Im negative and i cant nail down were she might have caught it.
She says the fatigue is terrible and cough debilitating. Currently on oxygen, steroids and numerous xrays.
As above i never really thought about it and as we are not in the at risk group we just took normal precautions, masks and hand washing.
Now im just hoping there will be no lasting affects on her.
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Sorry to hear this and hope she pulls through without too many issues. Your comments are so real and the real problem we all face. This disease is so new we are still learning.
How your wife caught it you will never know but she came in contact with another person who was shedding virus, or touched something which was covered with virus from someone else.
Your story is the reason I have, without apology, banged on about everyone being responsible. Not taking precautions causes those who are trying to follow the rules to get infected and become seriously ill.
My thoughts are with you at this difficult time and I hope the beginning of 2021 is better for you than the end of 2020 and your wife is out of hospital soon.
BE
 
There are multiple layers of luck.

The first, which people understand better and obsess about, is whether or not you are exposed. You have some level of control over this - though it is heavily dependent on how others behave.

The second is what happens once exposed. Whether or not you get symptoms, and how serious those are, is extremely variable. This goes to the heart of the problem: many (probably a large majority) get no or mild symptoms - but you have absolutely no way of knowing in advance if you’re going to be one of those. Whether you shrug it off with a few cranky mornings or wind up in the ICU fighting for your life is sheer blind luck.

Because so many get away without serious symptoms, huge numbers are tempted to play the risks. This is entirely rational at an individual level - the risk TO YOU is genuinely small. But you then keep it circulating, and there are enough people out there who will get extremely sick that this creates a huge and rapidly accelerating problem at a population level.

So this is the moral dilemma we all face: do you take a small personal risk which we know has a high probability of imposing substantial downstream risks on someone else? Or do you avoid those risks, at some personal cost (sometimes a very substantial personal cost) to reduce the downstream risk to people you will never meet?

It is a profound mistake to equate this to something like playing rugby or mountain climbing (pick risky occupation of choice). Here you take a calculated risk because you feel the benefits outweigh the costs. But, critically, if you get unlucky, the costs are largely only carried by you. You take responsibility for your decisions, and they only affect you.

But with a disease, you affect both yourself and everyone else you infect. You impose the consequences of your risk assessment on others.
 
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Indeed , I’m still taking all precautions , but will be continuing stalking as long as it is legal , normally on my own so pretty much zero risk or if I have a guest it’s 2m apart separate vehicles etc , what I see in a lot of these threads is plenty of virtue signalling , a happy and safe new year to all
 
Work this one out
My two daughters and one partner and two grandchildren all live in the same house the adults work together the children are in the same class in school
Daughter 1 and her child test positive the only symptoms loss of taste and smell
The other three all test negative how bizarre is that
 
rafael fach said:
Work this one out
My two daughters and one partner and two grandchildren all live in the same house the adults work together the children are in the same class in school
Daughter 1 and her child test positive the only symptoms loss of taste and smell
The other three all test negative how bizarre is that
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This is the real conundrum. We still have so much to learn about this disease. The tests are not 100% accurate and reduce if you self test. However your story is replicated throughout the country. The same story is seen with the common cold which is another coronavirus.
With Covid there seems to be an issue of exposure, the issue of virus load at exposure but also a susceptibility. Some will show no signs, some will be a bit off colour, others in hospital.
 
Thankyou all for such a thoughtful thread. I have nothing to add except my sincere best wishes to all those coping with the effects, severe, direct and indirect, of this awful disease.
My luck has held so far, and I'm doing all I can to keep it that way, and to safeguard all around me, but I'm aware that this is much easier for me than for many, and have great respect for those for whom taking the necessary action to protect others day after day comes at a much higher price in discomfort, solitude, restrictions, vigilance and income.
 
Only have two outside contacts and we all carry out the necessary when meeting. I go nowhere anymore except on the estate.
To me it's a game of chance and brings to mind Harry Callaghan " Do you feel lucky punk, did I five five or six". It's all in the hands of God or fate dependant on your beliefs.
 
Stimo444 said:
I am in tier 4 so locked down , several days shooting being cancelled. Previous days all guns stuck to the rule on distance etc. However going down our small town after school finished all the kids messing about, fighting and taking no precautions. So feel I am paying for others not following rules
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My seven years old's primary school at 3.00pm always the same group of mothers stood outside, no social distancing, no face coverings. And to get from the school entrance back to the street you have to run the gauntlet of them. Both my wife and myself (depending who is collecting the boy) hate it.
 
charlieboy-shooter said:
Hi Guys,

Not wanting to hi-Jack anyone’s thread and please bear with me as I will get to the titles point.
However after reading the different threads in different sections but with the same theme about Tier 4 and continuation of stalking or not, and all the views and points that go with it. etc. etc.
It got me thinking about people’s views and opinions about people being responsible or not during these times and the judgement made by others on their actions. Some possibly hold the view that if you catch Covid you are an irresponsible individual. Probably one of the people still stalking.
However I firmly believe as with most aspect of life there is an element of luck, good or bad if you catch it.
I for one have recently recovered from it. In my mind I have taken all practical precautions since March. Socially, nothing. Attend work throughout as unable to work from home. (Face mask for 12 hrs shift, gloves etc and separated myself from my 3 shift colleagues) I accepted the risks from work.
However I caught it from my teenage son who in turn caught it from school. ( which is an entire different debate) His social life consist of screaming down the Xbox which I’m sure is Covid safe. School clearly is not.
So I believe that despite our actions, Luck or on my part bad luck plays apart in it.
I fully agree though that it’s not Covid which spreads Covid but it’s us, People. Some just have more luck than others and unfortunately some pay the ultimate price. So yes I am and have been taking it seriously.
I hope you all Stay safe if you decide to stalk or not.
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I think it is a case of not if you catch the virus, but when you catch it, and how your body deals with the same!. To me it's rather like most ailments we humans are prone to.

Just a thought

Patrick
 
charlieboy-shooter said:
Hi Guys,

Not wanting to hi-Jack anyone’s thread and please bear with me as I will get to the titles point.
However after reading the different threads in different sections but with the same theme about Tier 4 and continuation of stalking or not, and all the views and points that go with it. etc. etc.
It got me thinking about people’s views and opinions about people being responsible or not during these times and the judgement made by others on their actions. Some possibly hold the view that if you catch Covid you are an irresponsible individual. Probably one of the people still stalking.
However I firmly believe as with most aspect of life there is an element of luck, good or bad if you catch it.
I for one have recently recovered from it. In my mind I have taken all practical precautions since March. Socially, nothing. Attend work throughout as unable to work from home. (Face mask for 12 hrs shift, gloves etc and separated myself from my 3 shift colleagues) I accepted the risks from work.
However I caught it from my teenage son who in turn caught it from school. ( which is an entire different debate) His social life consist of screaming down the Xbox which I’m sure is Covid safe. School clearly is not.
So I believe that despite our actions, Luck or on my part bad luck plays apart in it.
I fully agree though that it’s not Covid which spreads Covid but it’s us, People. Some just have more luck than others and unfortunately some pay the ultimate price. So yes I am and have been taking it seriously.
I hope you all Stay safe if you decide to stalk or not.
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Charlie boy, Purely a comment on the Luck or lack of from my own perspective, I was initially made a casualty of a purchase by a foreign company, the company I worked for being sold right on the start of the Covid - 19 outbreak being recognised, I was denied furlough and also JSA, I thought my only recourse was to get myself one of the many many openings for Covid-19 testing to keep the wolf from the door, My Wife is very close to frontline being a manager for local county council transportation of the disabled along with other school employees, regulation & inspections of outside transport means such as taxis & coaches, very often herself driving vehicles with these occupants to cover for sickness among her staff, this being the case I thought so if she is out there, my working with testing could not be frowned upon, We have Her mum living with us aged 86 but separated in her own portion of the house, self contained, After training with the army,I worked initially out of Manchester airport main site on mobile testing units all over the hot spots, I had a four week detachment with a fire brigade style team from Leeds working in Peterhead / Aberdeen, Dundee, then Glasgow / Motherwell, East Kilbride, Thence back to Manchester main site, Now no longer involved with it, working in another sphere, looking back over this period, I had seen & been very close to some very very poorly people ............ & having got away with it I feel I may have used up a couple of the 9, So it seems it is pot luck ----- along with a strict approach to Hands, Face & Space.:old:
 
One of the main worries i have is the post viral issues, I have fybromyalgia, and like all stalkers risk Lymes (though i have excellent repellents and have never had a tick attach). The symptoms are similar. It appears "long covid" has similar symptoms again. The thought of all 3, which is very possible, is hellish. I expect that would stop me stalking at the very least. Ok, i also worry about passing it on and the illness itself, but the long term problems are really not understood, its just not been here long enough to understand this. This is why i have concerns about people looking for loop holes to keep on fishing/shooting and basically every other passtime, to justify why they are special and so should just keep doing as normal. Every FB group and forum has plenty of posts asking if its ok to do whatever, looking for comfort from folks they dont know and will never meet saying to keep going, its all ok. I get people are losing income, and really feel for them, i get that the risks of 1-2 people out on a hill or river bank have minimal risks, almost none. I made my living dealing with problems when people had things happen to them that they did not plan for and did not expect. So my take on all of this is stick by the rules as best you can, the rules will allow you to walk to your shooting, go for it, enjoy the cold short winters days. For me, i will stick by the rules, and will then hopefully be fit and well to enjoy the rest of the year, the bits i really enjoy, spring and autumn salmon, summer bucks, autumn stags and then early hinds and does, before the snow and frosts limit things again.

I worry is about the short term thinking, play now and everything will be fine. Long covid, if its the way i understand it from my most basic of medical training and fybro experience, is that this is going to be very long term, and way worst than a cough or loss of sense of taste and smell. With thousands catching this daily we could be looking at years of issues, long after the vaccine makes the active illness much less of an issue.
 
diverdave said:
One of the main worries i have is the post viral issues, I have fybromyalgia, and like all stalkers risk Lymes (though i have excellent repellents and have never had a tick attach). The symptoms are similar. It appears "long covid" has similar symptoms again. The thought of all 3, which is very possible, is hellish. I expect that would stop me stalking at the very least. Ok, i also worry about passing it on and the illness itself, but the long term problems are really not understood, its just not been here long enough to understand this. This is why i have concerns about people looking for loop holes to keep on fishing/shooting and basically every other passtime, to justify why they are special and so should just keep doing as normal. Every FB group and forum has plenty of posts asking if its ok to do whatever, looking for comfort from folks they dont know and will never meet saying to keep going, its all ok. I get people are losing income, and really feel for them, i get that the risks of 1-2 people out on a hill or river bank have minimal risks, almost none. I made my living dealing with problems when people had things happen to them that they did not plan for and did not expect. So my take on all of this is stick by the rules as best you can, the rules will allow you to walk to your shooting, go for it, enjoy the cold short winters days. For me, i will stick by the rules, and will then hopefully be fit and well to enjoy the rest of the year, the bits i really enjoy, spring and autumn salmon, summer bucks, autumn stags and then early hinds and does, before the snow and frosts limit things again.

I worry is about the short term thinking, play now and everything will be fine. Long covid, if its the way i understand it from my most basic of medical training and fybro experience, is that this is going to be very long term, and way worst than a cough or loss of sense of taste and smell. With thousands catching this daily we could be looking at years of issues, long after the vaccine makes the active illness much less of an issue.
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Indeed. I have suffered from ME/CFS now for 7.5yrs. It can be brutal and has resulted in a profound change to how life can be lived. I feel somewhat "lucky" that I have a sit down job and could just about continue to work but if my work had been in any way physical, that would have been the end of that job.

A good cyclist, squash player, golfer, outdoor freak, high energy and fit individual was reduced to a constantly tired, aching, weak and brain fogged character with changing ability from one day to the next. Planning for anything is impossible. You go away for a long weekend thinking a couple of gentle walks down the coast will help but one day you can hardly get out of bed and the next you could almost go cliff climbing. Life changes overnight and the guaranteed health you previously enjoyed will never be taken for granted. That happened to me aged 33. Now 40, I have learned to accept it and live with it but I cannot do the things I used to do. I would also bet a pretty penny that I would be comfortably towards the top end of relative health and fitness compared to the average UK resident. You have to have a very positive and solid mental foundation to be able to cope well. Something I feel lucky to have. I can see lots of positives from it but I miss so much of my old life.

If I understand the long covid complications, it sounds very very similar to the random symptoms I can suffer from one day or week to the next. I have been tested at length for all sorts of thing in an effort to find what is wrong with me but the doctors best guess was always "we think these things start with a dormant virus that your immune system holds down successfully before being let loose and causing huge issues" That is certainly what it feels like to me. Like something is surging through your body causing as much hassle as possible without warning.

If even a small number of people with covid go on to suffer from long covid, the implications for them and society could be pretty big. It is life changing. The victims from this nasty virus will not just be the dead.
 
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