Available: Deer Stalking with Jelen Deer Services £150/Day

[chrisc]

Hi 6p, as far as our Roe deer management policy is concerned, we have a clear distinction between what is a cull, and what is a trophy. In the case of an old animal that is going back, and needing to be removed, then yes this will be sold as a trophy as opposed to a cull.

Our charges for trophies are quite high. This is done purposely to recoup part of the cost of getting that animal to maturity, and thus encouraging propagation of those genetics, and also partly to discourage the desire to shoot good animals, just for the sake of a decent set of antlers.

Whilst Jelen Deer Services is NOT a trophy or sporting shooting organisation, the removal of old trophy animals nevertheless forms a significant part of not only the economics of estate deer management, but also the overall welfare of the remaining deer on the estate. They have a significant value that - from an economic viewpoint - it would be foolish not to utilise that potential for revenue.

Each year these selected animals are sold as trophies at the optimum time - and at the optimum value. If we don't do this, then come April the following year, those animals would probably be displaced by a younger, stronger buck and move off the estate to either to battle for a home, be shot by someone else, or live in a thick hedge somewhere until it dies!

Your question about charges? Well in the limited circumstances, we would be charging £245 for a good 6 pointer that we felt was a good representative animal, but NOT good enough to keep on for future herd improvement. £540 for Bronze medal, £690 for Silver medal, and £980 for Gold medal.

These animals are the result of perhaps 5, 6, 7 years good management. So when broken down, it's still not a great return for a 7 year old animal - at £140/year, less than than the value of one day's stalking for cull beasts. On top of this we get a stalking fee £75.00, and also the venison carcass £40 - £50.

As far as the cull beasts are concerned, our management policy is simple! Given the ideal habitat we have here in Hampshire, if a roe buck can't grow six points, or at least four good, long points in it's first head, then quite simply, genetically it is no good. So we aim to shoot EVERY sub standard roe buck as early in the season as possible. That way we capitalise on a cull animal that may well disappear over the boundary, even though it may have come from across the boundary in the first place.

On our estates, we don't cull ANY mature does unless they are clearly very old or otherwise sick/injured, so the doe season consists almost entirely of yearling animals. Only the very best are left.

Hope that clarifies things a bit.

regards,

Mike
(Director - Jelen Deer Services) Jelen Deer Services

can i ask where do you get the prices from for the trophy animals from and can you explain how they come to them figures.

 

[Jelendeer]

First of all may i reply to NIELAJ First of all i am not running a buisness but i do understand the differnce between a trophy and a cull animal i also thinck your view of good value is a bit differnt to mine mate.. The problem here is others might not . Please dont try and patronise me its my ground and i will decided what comes off it and me alone will decided what to charge. If i am missing an opertunity to stuff it up peoples ass then thats my choice ,you see we dont all look at things from your angle and a good job or every one comming to me would wounder what the final bill will amount to. Mike i know you are running a buisness and for that reason i feel(jmho) that you should be transparant with your discriptions. So lets make it plane any shitty buck of less than a 3 inch head can be shot anthing else will stretch your wallet a fair bit. Any doe that is not an adult of reasnable quality will be taken unless you decide differnt. Now your maths regards bucks and how long they take to grow is way off. Also you management plan seems a little suspect. even if it is a good six pointer in its first year it should either be a cull or not . You say it will comand a price so were is the management of good deer coming from .I would say over the boundry and a good job for you your nabour is a bit more like me and puts deer welfare first. Happy New Year and please dont be taken in by the so called eggsperts they might not be all they seem.

This animal is my best buck and will not be classed as a cull next year but is for sale to any one that can afford a gold .ps god knows what animal will cover my does when he gone but hey whats it matter.

If that's your best buck, I'd say there's something wrong with your management mate! Your neighbours probably got all the best ones!

 

[chrisc]

so how do you work out the cost of the trophy buck as i asked before.

 

[Jelendeer]

can i ask where do you get the prices from for the trophy animals from and can you explain how they come to them figures.

Yes you can, and yes I can.

 

[chrisc]

are you just working for the business or is it your business as it was you who did the advert pneudart.

regards

 

[Jelendeer]

are you just working for the business or is it your business as it was you who did the advert pneudart.

regards

I own the business, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything.

I am offering a great opportunity for people @ £150/day to shoot cull animals (of which there are a lot of!) and learn something from professionals.

Take it or leave it ........ Simples!

 

[chrisc]

well i take it with no reply that you just pick a figure out of the air and hope the foriegn clients just pay it and uk stalkers too.

 

[chrisc]

I am not saying a thing about your fee for stalking but look back to what i asked HOW DO YOU COME TO THE FEES FOR TROPHIES is that clear enough if you dont want to answer that question just say .very simples

 

[Jelendeer]

I am not saying a thing about your fee for stalking but look back to what i asked HOW DO YOU COME TO THE FEES FOR TROPHIES is that clear enough if you dont want to answer that question just say .very simples

Chris, I see you are a trade member - perhaps I'm wrong, but by that I would imagine you are in business. In that case you should know that asking another business person details of how their pricing structure is worked out is - in my opinion - a little nosey! With all due respect, that's my business!

However, you could always attend one of our professional deer management training courses where such information would be freely given - because you will have paid for it!

Just a thought, I am amazed at how many people on this site have an issue with foreign clients stalking deer in the UK!! ............... Get over it Guys! FFS!

Regards,

Mike.

 

[chrisc]

mike thanks for your reply i was not been disrespectful to jelend but it is something i have often thought how is a animal worth that much as a trophy is there a scale for working it out .
And as foreign clients mike i have probs with as i shoot abroad too but i know of places in the uk that would drather have there business than people in the uk and that is only because of what they can extract of them.

regards
chris

 

[sikamalc]

Can I please ask for this manner of approaching somone about costs for a trophy is kept between private Pm's. It does the site nor stalking in general any good what so ever with this persistant questioning.

If you want to know such information it should be dealt with privately and politely. As for the buck in the photo, well it could make a gold, just by the density and weight. Length does not nessasarily make a gold head, and if its an old animal and in someones cull plan who are we to criticise!!

Thank you

Sikamalc

 

[chrisc]

there was no intention of any bad meaning behind my questions i just wondered if there was a rule of thumb for trophy costs.

regards
chris

 

[sir-lamp-alot]

i must admit chaps i think your looking a gift horse in the mouth here a little bit, if you take the roe out of the deal this chap is offering two stalks over one day at £75 a stalk with un-limited fallow and muntjac with no trophy fee's or was it just me that spotted that ?, sorry jelen if i read your ad wrong but i'm reasonably sure i didnt

 

[243Sako]

Youre quite right SLA, some people just aint happy unless they are moaning about something!!!

ATB

Rob
243Sako

 

[6pointer]

I have no problems at all with trophy fee,s and some one can charge as much or as little as they like (BUT). The point i was trying to make was that if a buck is part of your cull plan then it is a cull animal . So the advertising is some what misleading. What it should say that any yearling buck (might)be a cull animal anything over a year will be charge at the trophy rate. You must remeber SLA some people might only be interested in a Roe bucks and might need to walk past 90% to get one that matchs the discription not much chance of that. Infact may be more than that if Mike feels that buck in the picture is pour.
I must state at this time that buck is still alive and has not be measured and might not even make bronze if the weight is not on it. But it sure is a nice animal and from my eyes was worth keeping. But i will watch for him again in the spring and see what he is about and if he becomes a cull animal thats what he will be. If he is still as good and i dont see any beter in the area he will be left to service the ladys.
His nearest rival made bronze and was very old no teeth so i would say a good cull .

 

[barry thom]

Hi Mike, You seem to be getting a hard time from some of the trade members on here, I am sorry to see that as you are offering a very good up front deal on your cull beasts and seem to be getting some stick, I reread your advert and think it is awfully clear!.
I think your back at that place where you are offering folks what they want and they are saying WHY? you can lead a camel to water!!!!.

ATB Dry Powder.

Barry

 

[Jelendeer]

I have no problems at all with trophy fee,s and some one can charge as much or as little as they like (BUT). The point i was trying to make was that if a buck is part of your cull plan then it is a cull animal . So the advertising is some what misleading. What it should say that any yearling buck (might)be a cull animal anything over a year will be charge at the trophy rate. You must remeber SLA some people might only be interested in a Roe bucks and might need to walk past 90% to get one that matchs the discription not much chance of that. Infact may be more than that if Mike feels that buck in the picture is pour.
I must state at this time that buck is still alive and has not be measured and might not even make bronze if the weight is not on it. But it sure is a nice animal and from my eyes was worth keeping. But i will watch for him again in the spring and see what he is about and if he becomes a cull animal thats what he will be. If he is still as good and i dont see any beter in the area he will be left to service the ladys.
His nearest rival made bronze and was very old no teeth so i would say a good cull .

FFS! Let me make this a little clearer for the benefit of the two people that seem to not get the idea here!

A cull animal, as far as we are concerned, does not necessarily mean a yearling. It is basically ANY animal that is - in our opinion - not good enough to remain in the area (as far as OUR management criteria is concerned). Each year, our cull consists of many animals, some of which may be three or four years old. (BUT) if we believe that the animal is below average for the area, then in the interests of genetic improvement and overall good management, they will be culled/shot/call it what you will. And the guys who have lovingly parted with their £150 will be able to shoot them, with no extra charge................... Comprende?

Are you arguing over the interpretation of the word 'CULL'? Or are you just making an issue where there isn't one?

Also, the buck in the picture looks pretty dead to me! ........ But if, as you say, he is still alive, then he must be a damned heavy sleeper! (or perhaps you haven't made things clear!)

Regards,

Mike

 

[Jelendeer]

Hi Mike, You seem to be getting a hard time from some of the trade members on here, I am sorry to see that as you are offering a very good up front deal on your cull beasts and seem to be getting some stick, I reread your advert and think it is awfully clear!.
I think your back at that place where you are offering folks what they want and they are saying WHY? you can lead a camel to water!!!!.

ATB Dry Powder.

Barry

Cheers Barry,

You and the other 4000 members have got it!

Happy new year to you, and hope to see you soon.

Best regards,

Mike

 

[6pointer]

I see you have the same problem of not understanding Mike . But like i said earlier so it is possible to go out and shoot a really good trophy for the price in your advert if that said buck is in your cull plan.
You are quite right Mike that buck is dead and your quite right the other beast is a pour quality animal that my nabour has left for me . Some can see quality some only see quality when others tell them .
PS last post on the subject as it seems to look to others like some kind of witch hunt and thats not what it is . I only posted so that you Mike could make it perfectly clear what you meant by cull animals and prices. I thought this would have been welcomed with open arms, No way did i expect a reaction like i got . Happy New Year to you Mike and hope to see you soon ..

 

[Jelendeer]

I see you have the same problem of not understanding Mike . But like i said earlier so it is possible to go out and shoot a really good trophy for the price in your advert if that said buck is in your cull plan.
You are quite right Mike that buck is dead and your quite right the other beast is a pour quality animal that my nabour has left for me . Some can see quality some only see quality when others tell them .
PS last post on the subject as it seems to look to others like some kind of witch hunt and thats not what it is . I only posted so that you Mike could make it perfectly clear what you meant by cull animals and prices. I thought this would have been welcomed with open arms, No way did i expect a reaction like i got . Happy New Year to you Mike and hope to see you soon ..

Thank you for your concern mate, and you're a a trooper for helping all those other guys understand what is meant by cull animals and prices, but I'm pretty sure everyone else understood perfectly well. But thanks anyway!

PS my last post too, I'm pleased you're not hunting me like a dirty witch!! So, now we've cleared that up ........

..... Anyone up for some deer culling, £150 a day, no trophy fees?

Best regards,

Mike.