Looks innocuous but there are several options in the proposed plans that would decimate the shooting industry in the UK that are reliant on Overseas custom.
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Defra Consultation on controls on the import and export of hunting trophies.
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Looks innocuous but there are several options in the proposed plans that would decimate the shooting industry in the UK that are reliant on Overseas custom.
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Read and responded, out of all the things wrong with this country what genius has sat there and thought ‘you know what ,we’ve f*ckd up brexit, failed to to lower crime in this country , failed to improve the motorways ooh I know let’s waste some more taxpayers money and get somebody to ban trophy hunting....these nobbers need to have a day off
I'd also hope people would note that, like the circus animals legislation, this is a total waste of taxpayers time and money. The document attached says fewer than 100 imports per year of Annex A and B species occurred in the last year they have data for. There is no credible evidence that importing trophies to this country could possibly have any effect on endangered species - even if you accept the incorrect claim that British trophy hunters are putting pressure on populations rather than enhancing them.
As long as the Chinese demand for ground puffin beak (as an aphrodisiac and treatment for brain damage) remains insatiable, the future for the critically endangered African puffin remains bleak.But, but ............ who else is going to save the Puffins?
Donnachaidh
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I emailed my Conservative MP a week or so ago; judging from his response he thinks all 'trophy' hunting is effectively 'canned hunting'...I have explained that this is not the case (incidentally, he used to ride to hounds, so I did not expect him to be so ill-informed).
It is important that we all contact our MP's about this consultation, as well as putting our views to DEFRA; any ban on the import / export of trophies will be detrimental to the welfare of many species in both the UK and other countries, and will damage those rural economies that derive revenue from the sustainable management of wild animals.
It is important that we all contact our MP's about this consultation, as well as putting our views to DEFRA; any ban on the import / export of trophies will be detrimental to the welfare of many species in both the UK and other countries, and will damage those rural economies that derive revenue from the sustainable management of wild animals.
Pulled from another site but used to draft an email to the minister.
Stalking in Scotland propsed ban DEFRA has launched a consultation on controls on the import and export of hunting 'trophies'. This consultation has been widened to not only include the import ban of legally sport-hunted animals from abroad but to ban exports of 'trophies' from the UK. This means, amongst other species, 20,000 stags stalked in Scotland annually. The majority of antlers from these are exported. Stalking directly provides 4,000 jobs in Scotland and £180m to the UK economy. It will no longer be economically viable to employ stalkers, ghillies, Argo's, ponies and lodges without foreign clients to underwrite this. This is a death by 1,000 cuts for the UK fieldsports industry, once passed into law the position will be consolidated and Zak Goldsmith will pick each country pursuit off, one at time.
Fieldsports Journal urges its readers and the wider community to take action. Please email the minister in support of OPTION 4 of the consultation (LEAVE THE LAWS AS THEY ARE) full details of consultation: bit.ly/HUNTINGCONSULTATION
Below is a model email, feel free to adapt, deadline 25 Jan 2020. Send to: huntingtrophyconsultation@defra.gov.uk
Subject: Consultation on controls on the import and export of hunting trophies
Dear Minister,
I am writing to express my support for Option 4 – continue to apply current controls based on internationally agreed rules – as set out in the Consultation on Controls on the import and export of hunting trophies.
Sport hunting is a scientifically proven positive component of modern conservation, a provider of countless jobs in the UK and abroad and completely defensible on that basis.
Studies show that many species sustainably sport- hunted would already be extinct had it not been for income directly generated through the activity.
The current laws on hunting and conservation are perfectly acceptable and support progressive conservation. Botswana reopening sport hunting for wild animals including elephant and Romania (an EU member state since 2007) reopened sport hunting for brown bear both in 2019. This is unequivocal proof that African nations, and others closer to the UK see the benefit of this activity.
20,000 male red deer are sport-hunted in Scotland between August and October each year. Foreign hunters export the vast majority of their antlers or 'trophies.' This directly provides over 4,000 jobs together with £180 million of revenue into the UK. A total ban on imports and exports would not prevent the deer from dying and would become a cost to the taxpayer as the deer still require controlling anyway, which would have to be funded by the government.
Governments everywhere should adopt the principle of sport hunting conservation like those in South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Botswana, to name a few. The burden of proof must be shifted away from the emotions of those opposed to trophy hunting and to the scientists that measure its positive impact.
Policy-makers, scientists, businesses, and conservation groups should work together to support sport hunting, which is sustainable and provides economic development creating prosperity for local communities through preserving their natural heritage.
Sport hunting is a vital component in modern-day conservation. By banning sport hunting trophy imports and exports, Britain will be expediting the end of the natural world as we know it.
I urge the government to implement Option 4 as quickly as possible and to work with other governments and scientists to help relay this positive message to the world.
Yours sincerely,
Stalking in Scotland propsed ban DEFRA has launched a consultation on controls on the import and export of hunting 'trophies'. This consultation has been widened to not only include the import ban of legally sport-hunted animals from abroad but to ban exports of 'trophies' from the UK. This means, amongst other species, 20,000 stags stalked in Scotland annually. The majority of antlers from these are exported. Stalking directly provides 4,000 jobs in Scotland and £180m to the UK economy. It will no longer be economically viable to employ stalkers, ghillies, Argo's, ponies and lodges without foreign clients to underwrite this. This is a death by 1,000 cuts for the UK fieldsports industry, once passed into law the position will be consolidated and Zak Goldsmith will pick each country pursuit off, one at time.
Fieldsports Journal urges its readers and the wider community to take action. Please email the minister in support of OPTION 4 of the consultation (LEAVE THE LAWS AS THEY ARE) full details of consultation: bit.ly/HUNTINGCONSULTATION
Below is a model email, feel free to adapt, deadline 25 Jan 2020. Send to: huntingtrophyconsultation@defra.gov.uk
Subject: Consultation on controls on the import and export of hunting trophies
Dear Minister,
I am writing to express my support for Option 4 – continue to apply current controls based on internationally agreed rules – as set out in the Consultation on Controls on the import and export of hunting trophies.
Sport hunting is a scientifically proven positive component of modern conservation, a provider of countless jobs in the UK and abroad and completely defensible on that basis.
Studies show that many species sustainably sport- hunted would already be extinct had it not been for income directly generated through the activity.
The current laws on hunting and conservation are perfectly acceptable and support progressive conservation. Botswana reopening sport hunting for wild animals including elephant and Romania (an EU member state since 2007) reopened sport hunting for brown bear both in 2019. This is unequivocal proof that African nations, and others closer to the UK see the benefit of this activity.
20,000 male red deer are sport-hunted in Scotland between August and October each year. Foreign hunters export the vast majority of their antlers or 'trophies.' This directly provides over 4,000 jobs together with £180 million of revenue into the UK. A total ban on imports and exports would not prevent the deer from dying and would become a cost to the taxpayer as the deer still require controlling anyway, which would have to be funded by the government.
Governments everywhere should adopt the principle of sport hunting conservation like those in South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Botswana, to name a few. The burden of proof must be shifted away from the emotions of those opposed to trophy hunting and to the scientists that measure its positive impact.
Policy-makers, scientists, businesses, and conservation groups should work together to support sport hunting, which is sustainable and provides economic development creating prosperity for local communities through preserving their natural heritage.
Sport hunting is a vital component in modern-day conservation. By banning sport hunting trophy imports and exports, Britain will be expediting the end of the natural world as we know it.
I urge the government to implement Option 4 as quickly as possible and to work with other governments and scientists to help relay this positive message to the world.
Yours sincerely,
Orion
Well-Known Member
Because it doesn’t sit easily with their mantra that we shouldn’t be getting any pleasure from doing it.
Look at what this d*ckhead said in reference to culling animals and where they end up - in landfill! - and he runs a restaurant that obviously has game on the menu:
It’s from the Guardian weekend magazine, so quite predictable really.
Because it doesn’t sit easily with their mantra that we shouldn’t be getting any pleasure from doing it.
Look at what this d*ckhead said in reference to culling animals and where they end up - in landfill! - and he runs a restaurant that obviously has game on the menu:
It’s from the Guardian weekend magazine, so quite predictable really.
WFTAYDRTS?
Heym SR20
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Definately not innocuous - DEFRA have confirmed that this includes the import and export of all trophies into and out of the UK.
So if you shoot a wildboar in Germany - no chance of bringing back a tanned hide or its teeth. If you go to Namibia and shoot a Springbok - ditto.
And if visit the UK and shoot a scruffy little cull Roebuck - nope sorry can't take your antlers home. Nor if you shoot a phaesant - no to the tail feahers, and no the pin feathers of a woodcock.
This is going to hammer a large part of the UK shooting community.
So if you shoot a wildboar in Germany - no chance of bringing back a tanned hide or its teeth. If you go to Namibia and shoot a Springbok - ditto.
And if visit the UK and shoot a scruffy little cull Roebuck - nope sorry can't take your antlers home. Nor if you shoot a phaesant - no to the tail feahers, and no the pin feathers of a woodcock.
This is going to hammer a large part of the UK shooting community.
I think in a clumsy way he is trying to say the right thing but getting it wrong. May not be a very clued up chef or not his first language.Because it doesn’t sit easily with their mantra that we shouldn’t be getting any pleasure from doing it.
Look at what this d*ckhead said in reference to culling animals and where they end up - in landfill! - and he runs a restaurant that obviously has game on the menu:
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It’s from the Guardian weekend magazine, so quite predictable really.
VOTE NOW OPTION 4 OPPOSE OPTION 3
Do your bit , register your opposition to ban all trophy’s in and out of UK.
Contact defra at huntingtrophyconsultation@defra.gov.uk
Vote against option 3 and for option 4 .You will get a defra response.
Trophy Hunting is good for Africa
Wise Words from South African landowner .Given to BBC journalist Hayley Mortimer Yesterday.
Conservation is firstly about the soil, especially in fragile and marginal habitats which exist in Africa. It takes a million years to replace topsoil lost to wind and water erosion.
Secondly, it's about plant life because this binds and protects the soil and is the basis of all energy through photosynthesis. Over browsed or grazed plant life is a sin to nature.
If plant life and soil are damaged and lost, it takes aeons to recover and replace, if ever.
Lastly, it's about animals which all the emotive animal activist focus is about, to the exclusion of science-based conservation and wildlife management principles.
If wildlife is over-harvested, it takes a short while to re-populate.
No-one needs to like or even understand hunting or the atavistic instinct which compels it.
However it's commonsense (unfortunately the most uncommon thing in mankind) to understand its vital role in wildlife and biodiversity conservation in Africa.
The UK government's proposed ban on hunting trophies imported into UK is the most unbelievably idiotic idea which, if implemented worldwide, would have a catastrophic effect on wildlife conservation in Africa.
To nurture the last wild places with wildlife populations, like those our companies preside over, needs more trophy hunters into the future.
Without that, the areas will be given over to domestic animals, primarily goats, sheep and cattle.
Do your bit , register your opposition to ban all trophy’s in and out of UK.
Contact defra at huntingtrophyconsultation@defra.gov.uk
Vote against option 3 and for option 4 .You will get a defra response.
Trophy Hunting is good for Africa
Wise Words from South African landowner .Given to BBC journalist Hayley Mortimer Yesterday.
Conservation is firstly about the soil, especially in fragile and marginal habitats which exist in Africa. It takes a million years to replace topsoil lost to wind and water erosion.
Secondly, it's about plant life because this binds and protects the soil and is the basis of all energy through photosynthesis. Over browsed or grazed plant life is a sin to nature.
If plant life and soil are damaged and lost, it takes aeons to recover and replace, if ever.
Lastly, it's about animals which all the emotive animal activist focus is about, to the exclusion of science-based conservation and wildlife management principles.
If wildlife is over-harvested, it takes a short while to re-populate.
No-one needs to like or even understand hunting or the atavistic instinct which compels it.
However it's commonsense (unfortunately the most uncommon thing in mankind) to understand its vital role in wildlife and biodiversity conservation in Africa.
The UK government's proposed ban on hunting trophies imported into UK is the most unbelievably idiotic idea which, if implemented worldwide, would have a catastrophic effect on wildlife conservation in Africa.
To nurture the last wild places with wildlife populations, like those our companies preside over, needs more trophy hunters into the future.
Without that, the areas will be given over to domestic animals, primarily goats, sheep and cattle.
JabaliHunter
Well-Known Member
Moved to more recent thread
JabaliHunter
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Uphill battle... PMQs today (12/Feb): Prime Minister announces that “we mean to end the import of trophies hunted elsewhere into this country”.
Odders
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Such a move will only help ensure many game animals have no value & when that happens, their future is, extinction.
Hi All,
I thought to bring this back to the top as the consultation closes on Tuesday.
I have managed to persuade a few people I know to fill in the DEFRA form, I think a great many of us know this is just a method to restrict shooting sports and if option three was fully implemented it would cause a rake of damage to the UK deer industry!
Please if anyone has not emailed DEFRA or filled the form in please do.
Rgds
I thought to bring this back to the top as the consultation closes on Tuesday.
I have managed to persuade a few people I know to fill in the DEFRA form, I think a great many of us know this is just a method to restrict shooting sports and if option three was fully implemented it would cause a rake of damage to the UK deer industry!
Please if anyone has not emailed DEFRA or filled the form in please do.
Rgds
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