Dilemma?

[straightbetweentheeyes]

i would tell him to suck my stump, he's the one who wanted a bitch when he didn't have any and you obliged, taking a 'dog' in return. thus being yours to do with what you fuc&1n like. plenty of other grazing land around my friend you shouldn't have to worry about that **** to make your living.....

 

[prometheus]

It sounds like your relationship has already broken down and i suspect that you will be off the land anyway sooner or later even if you do pay.

 

[David T]

To be honest I would walk away now, you have behaved reasonably throughout and can walk with your dignity imtact and your head held high which is more than can be said for him. If not this could run and run. If you do resolve this situation its just a matter of time until he finds something else.

I am sure your daughter and you have significantly better ways of spending your time that don't cause you the grief this idiot is causing you.

 

[chunk]

I would try to go down the way of getting a legal contract signed up, for an extended 'X' number of years as the owner of the shooting rights, and not renting the rights.
He's being a selfish hure because he knows he thinks he has you backed into a corner, so as soon as you have signed the contract and payed him the money (if you go that route) start exploiting his land/shooting.

 

[Sausage Warrior]

What happened to the bitch you swapped for the dog (or whatever they are)?
I agree with those before, charge him for the loss of the bitch, the additional costs of the obviously highly professional training the dog has received and any and all associated costs of rearing the thing.
In the mean time, get searching for some alternative land to make a living from.

I've met his type before. Put as much distance between you as possible. If you try to smooth things out, he will be walking all over you for ever.

 

[baguio]

The more I think about this the more I think that you should walk away now.Suddenly this land is going to start causing you problems. Gates are going toswing open and fences are going to mysteriously ‘break’. Suddenly you will feel forced to leave theland and then get taken to court for breaking the contract, ending up payinghim again as you’re unable to prove that it was him doing the sabotaging whichforced you to leave! Far too much stresscould be coming your way and I’m far too stubborn to pay such a person anyway. Get out your contact book and get on thephone. Just seeing this man is going toput you in an early grave through no fault of your own so cut your losseswhilst you can.

 

[jamross65]

I cannot really believe this debate is taking place!

You paid for something by handing over a swap, it's known as the barter system!

Ask him if the bitch he got had a litter of pups if he would hand you over half of what he got for them!!

Personally, I think he is a **** and not worth having as a friend never mind associating with him just because he can offer you land. He is abusing his advantaged position (at least that's how he sees it, and how it appears to me). I would be ashamed of myself for cowering away from his attitude just to hold onto a piece of land.

Head held high and walk away. I would have thought anyone with a bit of self respect would do the same.

Assuming all parts of the story are accurate.

 

[Gazza]

Just a bit curious here. I would have thought that your post be sufficiently related to a general discussion post on a stalking site in that there is a circumstance whereby there is a possibility of losing your stalking rights without having to change whatever the "thing" is to a "dog" to make it more relevant. Then we have that you take out clients then you don't but you do rely on access to the ground for your lively hood.
Just a guess. The "dog" is really a sheep or to be more exact a tup and that the access you require is for grazing sheep rather than shooting/stalking. Now if this be the case and taking account your needs regarding grazing which just maybe harder to replace than stalking and your friendship/relationship with this guy, it may have been wise to consider that even although you would well be in your rights to hold onto the cash obtained from the sale, just perhaps the swap has turned out to be a little unfair in that what you obtained has turned out to be more valuable than what you parted with. I maybe stupid but under these circumstances I probably would have been inclined to offer the other guy (under your circumstance of reliance on him) some of the proceeds. A stranger that I had no reliance on - his tough luck but sometimes, just sometimes................
As my old man used to say "Never burn bridges you may never know when you want to go back across"

 

[baguio]

Yes Gazza you may have a point and I would probably have given him a drink too originally but the bloke turned all aggressive before this was possible, I think? If the timing had been right it could have worked but now he’s being blackmailed and I would have trouble giving in to blackmail, wouldn’t you?

 

[VSS]

Yes Gazza you may have a point and I would probably havegiven him a drink too originally but the bloke turned all aggressive beforethis was possible, I think? If the timing had been right it could have workedbut now he’s being blackmailed and I would have trouble giving in to blackmailwouldn’t you?

I think this sums it up about right.
Gazza's points are pretty close to home too, and if the timing / manner had been better I suppose it would have been sorted out amicably enough. The fact is though, I've basically been "attacked" over this, before I'd even given it any thought or been aware of a potential issue. It seems a strange change of character, as the fellow has always given my daughter encouragement, and been pleased when she's done well, without trying to advance any claim. I've always treated him fairly, and erred on the side of generosity, and would have done so again but for the current aggressive attitude that has sprung out of nowhere!

Anyway, got to chat to him this afternoon, so wish me luck!

 

[baguio]

Good luck! Maybe you can sort it out? Try to go with an open mind about the whole issue!

 

[limulus]

I find there's usually three sides to every tale. Yours, theirs and somewhere in the middle the truth. I hope you can amicably sort this out.

 

[trooper3.1]

as said would tell him where to go, but i think you have answered your own question you say you need the land for some of your lively hood it sounds to me like you are looking for some one to tell you what you already think ,you are going to pay up.

paul

 

[cjm1066]

A trained dog, results from;
purchase of pup
feed and care including vet bills
time spent training
The expensive bit is the time, that what your daughter was paid for.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

what is yours is yours whether you pass it on to another person or not and no other person has a right to expect anything from you. Unless ofcourse there was an agreement in place that meant the previous owner always held a stake in it. I would personally just foget the guy but given the chance would make it clear that what's someone else's has nothing to do with him so suck it up.

I would let the permission go in such circumstances just on principal.

 

[stag1933]

(BTW, my daughter is not bothered at all by selling her pet! This is the same child that helped me kill and cut up for the freezer an orphan lamb she reared!)[/QUOTE]

Personally I would be more worried about the mind-set of your daughter and how you are bringing her up.
For her to help you kill and cut up her pet lamb and allow you to flog off her pet dog is unaceptable in my eyes.

Many, many years ago I owned a tiny small-holding and had a few Jacobs sheep. My daughter also bottle-fed a lamb which she called Tubby. [He was a fat rascal.]
It used to play with her Jack Russel terrier and my Labrador and go walkabouts in the field with them.
He turned out to be a very pretty ram with four magnificent horns. She sold him to a local farmer who also had Jacobs and squirrelled the cash into her bank.
My other surplus stock went to the auction.
The thought of killing him and cutting him up would have made her sick.

HWH.

 

[Pheasant Feeder]

If the loss of the land would lead you to financial ruin then until you have alternative land you are over a barrel. If you felt you had no option but to pay him then I would leave him in no doubt what so ever as to the fact that the money he is seeking is nothing to do with the 'dog' or any possible claim he thought he might have had over it. It is just to do with his greed as he can't bear to see anyone have a bit of luck, and is using the landlord/tenant relationship to extort a quick buck.

 

[VSS]

Thanks for all your replies, guys. It always helps to get a few viewpoints in these things.

Sorted out now, I think (for a while, at least).
Had to swallow my pride a little bit, 'cos I remember the last time I dug my heels in on principal over money matters I lost my house and job....!

Anyway, he seemed to have cooled off a bit today, so perhaps some of the remarks I made last time we spoke have hit home!
I told him I didn't agree with his standpoint at all, but that life was too short to get hung up over such an issue. I pointed out that the increase in value had nothing whatsoever to do with him, as he'd had no input at all, and he agreed.
Therefore, my daughter and I will make what amounts to a "gesture", as this was an unexpected stroke of luck that has left him feeling hard done by. The actual amount is to be decided by my daughter, without pressure from anyone.

Just have to make sure the situation doesn't arise again!

 

[VSS]

(BTW, my daughter is not bothered at all by selling her pet! This is the same child that helped me kill and cut up for the freezer an orphan lamb she reared!)

Personally I would be more worried about the mind-set of your daughter and how you are bringing her up.
For her to help you kill and cut up her pet lamb and allow you to flog off her pet dog is unaceptable in my eyes.

Many, many years ago I owned a tiny small-holding and had a few Jacobs sheep. My daughter also bottle-fed a lamb which she called Tubby. [He was a fat rascal.]
It used to play with her Jack Russel terrier and my Labrador and go walkabouts in the field with them.
He turned out to be a very pretty ram with four magnificent horns. She sold him to a local farmer who also had Jacobs and squirrelled the cash into her bank.
My other surplus stock went to the auction.
The thought of killing him and cutting him up would have made her sick.

HWH.[/QUOTE]



Funny sort of post, Stag.
There was a thread on here not long ago, all about getting kids involved in matters of life and death, taking them shooting, helping with gralloch etc etc, and the general consensus of opinion was that that was a good way to bring them up. No illusions or cover-ups.

My daughter was so proud when her lamb was on the table for everyone to share! Likewise, no problems selling the "dog". She was really proud of herself, to think that her efforts had been fully recognised. She was never in any doubt that the animal would eventually be sold - that's what she wanted to do.

 

[baguio]

Well done VSS. Glad that you got it sorted. Hope it all works out well in the long run too. Maybe a lesson learnt for us all here? I'm sure the 'dog' has a lot of fun ahead of him too!