DMQ to charge AW's

This is very interesting and of course disappointing. It also part confirms a fear I've had for some time but perhaps mistakenly assumed could be avoided by careful choice of who one registers with. My understanding being as of writing the BDS will not have the same list of AW's as BASC.

Clearly I'm aware that ultimately it's DMQ issuing the certificate but hopefully someone can answer the following claryfying qestion please as I'm confused:

1. Who is assessing the Asseror's competencies and signing them up as Accredited L2 Witnesses?

2. If the answer to the above is DMQ why would the list of available AW's differ depending on who you sign up with?

3. If the answer to item 1 is in fact other than DMQ, is it fair to argue the quality of AW to be encountered will indeed be influenced by the in-house standards required and applied by the Organisations taking your registration fee? Assuming you only use an AW listed by your preffred DMQ accredited Organisation.

Thanks

K
K, you are somewhat confusing the matter with your terminology. The Approved Witness (AW) is not the Assessor! They are effectively the eyes and ears of the Assessor. To become an AW, you currently need to apply through one of the Assessment centres and you need two other AW's to act as referees to vouch for your experience and suitability. Assessment centres may require further evidence of your suitability to ensure that you are the right person for the job. AW's are continuously scrutinised and it doesn't take too many poor performance reports raised for them to be removed from the list! That said, the AW's are effectively assessing performance criteria on behalf of the Assessor which is why it is essential that they are suitable.
The Assessor needs to hold an industry standard qualification as it is based on the NVQ system. It is currently a level 3 certificate in assessing vocationally related achievement (or previous equivalent). It clearly follows that assessors will progress from experienced AW's so that they know how the system works. The assessor relies entirely on the AW to do his job properly which requires that the rules of assessment and protocols are followed as required. However, it is fair to say that most assessors carry this qualification from other walks of life, as it is a generic assessment qualification. All that is required, is that the assessor has a good ground knowledge in what they are assessing. For any aspiring AW's that wish to become assessors though, it can be done through deer management as I did it myself!
Although I do teach and assess for my main employment, it is too sensitive to be able to gain the qualification as required, so I decided to try and gain it through deer management. I was required to assess two candidates. This was a bit of a challenge, as it required a non deer stalking Assessor, to assess me, assessing two different candidates, over 6 successful stalks! We decided the best way to do this was by filming them in entirety. Pre-brief, stalk, shot, gralloch, inspection, lardering and debrief - 6 times! I also had to do a lot of online assignments and course work. This was also backed up with me assessing two candidates on all elements of a DSC level 1 course including RCO range work. (Don't forget Assessors don't just assess DSC 2!)
The lady assessing me said it was the most interesting portfolio she had ever seen! The qualification is costly and not a given!!! This is not a cost you will ever make back either in reality.

It shouldn't matter who you register with as we should all be working towards the same standards, but human nature dictates that we are all a bit different - some more than others! There have undoubtedly been individuals that have been awkward to deal with in the past, as posted above, but hopefully they are now gone and the future path will be smoother. I have AW'd and assessed more portfolios than I care to remember which include a lot of folk on here (including Malc) - all without issue!
Oh, and by the way, no assessment centre make any real money from DSC 1 or 2 - they barely break even at best. In fact we have had to cancel courses as they would run at a loss.
DSC courses give credibility to what we do and promote safety and training along with deer welfare. Many that provide that training do it for free or basic expenses. I find it vey sad that they are ridiculed or seen as profiteering, when they are actually breaking the society that provide them.
MS
 
K, you are somewhat confusing the matter with your terminology. The Approved Witness (AW) is not the Assessor! They are effectively the eyes and ears of the Assessor. To become an AW, you currently need to apply through one of the Assessment centres and you need two other AW's to act as referees to vouch for your experience and suitability. Assessment centres may require further evidence of your suitability to ensure that you are the right person for the job. AW's are continuously scrutinised and it doesn't take too many poor performance reports raised for them to be removed from the list! That said, the AW's are effectively assessing performance criteria on behalf of the Assessor which is why it is essential that they are suitable.
The Assessor needs to hold an industry standard qualification as it is based on the NVQ system. It is currently a level 3 certificate in assessing vocationally related achievement (or previous equivalent). It clearly follows that assessors will progress from experienced AW's so that they know how the system works. The assessor relies entirely on the AW to do his job properly which requires that the rules of assessment and protocols are followed as required. However, it is fair to say that most assessors carry this qualification from other walks of life, as it is a generic assessment qualification. All that is required, is that the assessor has a good ground knowledge in what they are assessing. For any aspiring AW's that wish to become assessors though, it can be done through deer management as I did it myself!
Although I do teach and assess for my main employment, it is too sensitive to be able to gain the qualification as required, so I decided to try and gain it through deer management. I was required to assess two candidates. This was a bit of a challenge, as it required a non deer stalking Assessor, to assess me, assessing two different candidates, over 6 successful stalks! We decided the best way to do this was by filming them in entirety. Pre-brief, stalk, shot, gralloch, inspection, lardering and debrief - 6 times! I also had to do a lot of online assignments and course work. This was also backed up with me assessing two candidates on all elements of a DSC level 1 course including RCO range work. (Don't forget Assessors don't just assess DSC 2!)
The lady assessing me said it was the most interesting portfolio she had ever seen! The qualification is costly and not a given!!! This is not a cost you will ever make back either in reality.

It shouldn't matter who you register with as we should all be working towards the same standards, but human nature dictates that we are all a bit different - some more than others! There have undoubtedly been individuals that have been awkward to deal with in the past, as posted above, but hopefully they are now gone and the future path will be smoother. I have AW'd and assessed more portfolios than I care to remember which include a lot of folk on here (including Malc) - all without issue!
Oh, and by the way, no assessment centre make any real money from DSC 1 or 2 - they barely break even at best. In fact we have had to cancel courses as they would run at a loss.
DSC courses give credibility to what we do and promote safety and training along with deer welfare. Many that provide that training do it for free or basic expenses. I find it vey sad that they are ridiculed or seen as profiteering, when they are actually breaking the society that provide them.
MS
Thanks for that clarification MS. I realised my mistake in terminology but thought it best not to attempt to rectify so soon after a Christmas party followed by Lunchtime drinks with our neighbour!

Yes, I did indeed mean who is assessing the AW. Also wasn't clear if there was still a difference between the AW list recommended by the BDS as distinct from BASC.

All the best

K
 
Also wasn't clear if there was still a difference between the AW list recommended by the BDS as distinct from BASC.

All the best

K
The list is the same list for all providers and includes all of the AW's regardless of which assessment centre they belong to. However, DMQ will now be taking over the administration of all AW's, but there should be no changes to the list itself.
MS
 
The list is the same list for all providers and includes all of the AW's regardless of which assessment centre they belong to. However, DMQ will now be taking over the administration of all AW's, but there should be no changes to the list itself.
MS
Unless a "cull" is undertaken!

Kind of begs the question why BDS, BASC and NGO are involved in the process at all beyond promoting L2 as something in the interest of deer welfare and deerstalker Best Practice?

K
 
I undertook my Level 2 18 years back. My assessor was not Monkey Spanker. But I have no doubt he may have assessed candidates that I have AW'ed in the past.
 
I’ve heard nothing at all

But I know there are decent stalkers who have thrown in the towel with the DMQ

I would have thought that given this kicked off last year and here we are mid March and still no news, something would have surfaced by now, the longer this goes on the more bad feeling it will grow towards the BASC, BDS and DMQ
 
I’ve heard nothing at all

But I know there are decent stalkers who have thrown in the towel with the DMQ

I would have thought that given this kicked off last year and here we are mid March and still no news, something would have surfaced by now, the longer this goes on the more bad feeling it will grow towards the BASC, BDS and DMQ

I would agree with you Phillip. The silence is overwhelming at the moment. Bit like Brexit, no bugger knows what they are doing!
 
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To all the AWs out there, this is what happened.

"I say Jones I think you've made a bit of a pills of this Charging AWs lark"
"Mr Mannering, It was your idea first, remember when we was staggering home from the brown cow"
"WAS IT REALLY, need to cut back on the gin don't cha know"
" What we going to do now Mr Mannering"?
"Hmmmmm, say nothing and the buggers might think it never happened"
"Good thinking Mr Mannering, I knew you'd sort it"
"Carry on Jones, see you in the cow tonight".
 
Silence is either golden, or deafening, depending on your point of view. Irrelevant for me, as I have thrown in the AW towel.....
 
Apparently !!!!!!
All will be revealed in a AW news letter in 3-4 weeks time

Light at the end of a dark tunnel.
 
So most of the AW’s on this thread have said they don’t charge yet 89% surveyed said they did. Was the survey open to all AW or a select few? Were the questions loaded ones so twisted the results?
where are the 89%?
I thought exactly that! Very puzzling. Or not!
 
No, it's true.

No mention as to the cost for the new AW's.
No mention as to reviews.
No mention as to how successful the electronic versions are.
 
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