Maybe it is. But that's not to say the Zulus is perfectly adequate at sensible humane ranges.
DNT Zulus V2 QUESTION
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Foxyboy43
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Err. With the greatest respect times are misleading depending on where you live i.e when was sunrise?With respect, that video is totally misleading. If the time is correct, a quick google search shows it was taken 6 minutes before sunrise. At that time of the day its near enough daylight and more than enough ambient light for the Zulus to give an image like that. Now turn that around, 54 minutes before sunrise (6 minutes into legal light) and that image would be black with sparkling bits. There’s absolutely no way a Zulus can give that image in the video in the last and first 15 mins or so of legal light, the sensor isn’t up to it and the lens isn’t big enough to gather the light, ive got 2 use them all the time and know exactly what they are and aren’t capable of. Even Bruce says it and if you snap him in half it says Zulus in the middle
I can assure you that I would not see those hares without the Zulus - as stated even the hedgerows were hard to see.
I have no affiliation to Zulus other than one who uses it.
As with another post maybe you were not using it right.
It just works.
Why? Absolute waste of time.......view in colour for longer....that's what the Hik and C50 are designed to do.
If you prefer viewing in monochrome no dramas......but as always with these things it's subjective....and I prefer to view in colour as long as possible.....and the Hik and C50 let you do that.
Pellet Pinger
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Compared to the Alpex/C50 in the last 15mins of light? Give over!
Foxyboy43
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Fed up with the boys in the playground having a ****ing competition - here you go…
Now you can decide- price v picture v weight v on board (or not) IR. Hopefully a fair comparison and open to correction; other day/night sights with or without IR are of course available….
Now you can decide- price v picture v weight v on board (or not) IR. Hopefully a fair comparison and open to correction; other day/night sights with or without IR are of course available….
Pellet Pinger
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So you put my original post straight down as rubbish and then reveal you haven’t even looked through an Alpex let alone side by side with a Zulus and then start about the weight difference, did you actually read the OP?
Pellet Pinger
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There’s not enough of a difference north or south, at that time of the morning the light has already cracked and theres enough ambient light for the Zulus to work.Err. With the greatest respect times are misleading depending on where you live i.e when was sunrise?
I can assure you that I would not see those hares without the Zulus - as stated even the hedgerows were hard to see.
I have no affiliation to Zulus other than one who uses it.
As with another post maybe you were not using it right.
It just works.
Regarding not using the Zulus correctly, just a lame comment when faced with a fact. Having ran 3 Zulus on rifles at the same time explain how they can all be used incorrectly? you turn them on and select day or night mode thats it, no contrast, aperture settings etc just brightness.
Problem with this thread is not a pi**ing competition its that some are rubbishing comments when they haven’t had the two scopes side by side and recon one is better than the other in low light.
I’ll do a comparison video when i get chance for everyone’s benefit.
You will not be buying I a scope just for low light , but for the over all experience in day and night mode surely and too me Zulus wins hands down as it’s a all one unit with out adding extra IR
Your original post quote both Alpex and the C50. I was commenting on the Zulus vs the C50.
Weight (and bulk) are very important factors if you are carrying your kit for hours at s time.
Foxyboy43
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Steady lad - maybe read this for info and note the difference between Belfast and say Ipswich.
I live in NI…
TringSaint
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Having spent quite some time looking through the array of 4k D&N scopes at the game fair, including the as yet unreleased DNT 4k scope, my conclusion is that the image from a 4k scope is crap compared to the V2 Zulus so any ability to hold a colour image longer into the disk is more than offset by having a poorer image in the first place.
I was all set to buy a 4k scope but will now buy a V2 Zulus not on price or weight but on image quality.
I was all set to buy a 4k scope but will now buy a V2 Zulus not on price or weight but on image quality.
Pellet Pinger
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I ran the C50 for nearly 2 years stalking and foxing, when i bought a Zulus and used them side by side there was no question the the daytime and night time image in good conditions with the built in IR was cleaner than the C50. They both had very different sensors, the Zulus needing a bomb of VCSEL IR to function at night time and the C50 could get away with a 20 quid LED because it needed less light because of the combination of sensor and larger diameter lens, the upshot of this was the C50 could see more in low light without IR, a better image and more legs, this can’t be argued, its fact.
When the first gen Alpex came out, in low light it left the C50 standing (Bruce has a Youtube video demonstrating this) and again when the 4K came out there was another improvement in low light and brought it closer Zulus daytime quality.
The specifics of the original post was the Zulus going on a .260 for stalking making the most of the first and last hour of light, lets forget full daytime/night time weight etc, that all comes down to preference, and concentrate on that first and last hour and the extreme ends of it that the OP highlighted, this is where from my experiences using all of the mentioned scopes in that exact scenario extensively id say without doubt the Alpex 4K is far and away the best stalking scope. I like the Zulus and shoot plenty with them but they don’t sit on my centerfires anymore.
Approx last 10mins of legal light, unidentified shapes to the naked eye, no Zulus can match this.
I've tested all of these scopes a lot and they all have there individual merits ... both are excellent scopes and have strong points against each other..
The best lowlight-lowlight colour and poor ambient condition night performance from all scopes are the following
Pulsar Digex C50
Pixfa Volans
HikMicro Alpex and Alpex 4K
The DNT Zulus V1 and V2 edge these during daylight and are still excellent at night, have the best ballistic system, lightest weight design, inbuilt high power IR also which further reduces weight and cost/bulk.
All depends on your needs, for the best lowlight colour retention from current models , and long range night vision performance stick with the Alpex 4K or Volans
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
For the lightweight all in one unit that are more than capable of 300yds plus at night , slightly worse performance in terms of NV and lowlight against the larger scopes with large aperture lenses then go for the Zulus V1 or V2.
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
Weights not a problem for me on a setup, as it tames the recoil down a little bit as well.. but If shooting out of a vehicle the Zulus is easier to handle, also allowing for a single press on the power button which turns IR and the eyepeice off , slick and fast , also the LRF system being single press scan and second calculate is a better system to use IMO, although nothing wrong with the others...
BARE in mind a 1080p sensor pixel is nearly x4 the size in area than a 4K pixel, allowing for much more light gathering, and compensating a lot against the larger lens models... Although a BIG ass lens is even better for light gathering ...
One things for sure the Alpex 4K is excellent and the Zulus too, depending on needs and requirements, we have sold 2K+ of both these units combined so they are equally as popular as each other...
If your on a really tight budget...
The Zulus V1 ZHD312 and ZHD520 are a bargain and includes the 940nm vcsel from us, so you can swap out for covert hunting at closer range and spook your quarry less
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
Also the original Alpex A50T-S is a steal and great performance comparable to the C50.
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
The best lowlight-lowlight colour and poor ambient condition night performance from all scopes are the following
Pulsar Digex C50
Pixfa Volans
HikMicro Alpex and Alpex 4K
The DNT Zulus V1 and V2 edge these during daylight and are still excellent at night, have the best ballistic system, lightest weight design, inbuilt high power IR also which further reduces weight and cost/bulk.
All depends on your needs, for the best lowlight colour retention from current models , and long range night vision performance stick with the Alpex 4K or Volans
HikMicro Alpex 4K LRF A50EL Day Night Optical Scope
HikMicro Alpex 4K LRF (A50EL) delivers ultra-HD day and night imaging, excellent low-light performance, with laser rangefinder and ballistic calculator.
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
Pixfra Volans V850 LRF Night Vision Scope
The Pixfra Volans V850 night vision scope is a 4K resolution traditional scope design with inbuilt LRF and ballsitic calculation functionality.
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
For the lightweight all in one unit that are more than capable of 300yds plus at night , slightly worse performance in terms of NV and lowlight against the larger scopes with large aperture lenses then go for the Zulus V1 or V2.
DNT Zulus Night Vision Scopes • Blackwood Outdoors
Explore the DNT Zulus night vision scope range. Compare Zulus V2 models (3-12, 5-20, LRF), read our buying guide and find answers in our FAQ's.
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
Weights not a problem for me on a setup, as it tames the recoil down a little bit as well.. but If shooting out of a vehicle the Zulus is easier to handle, also allowing for a single press on the power button which turns IR and the eyepeice off , slick and fast , also the LRF system being single press scan and second calculate is a better system to use IMO, although nothing wrong with the others...
BARE in mind a 1080p sensor pixel is nearly x4 the size in area than a 4K pixel, allowing for much more light gathering, and compensating a lot against the larger lens models... Although a BIG ass lens is even better for light gathering ...
One things for sure the Alpex 4K is excellent and the Zulus too, depending on needs and requirements, we have sold 2K+ of both these units combined so they are equally as popular as each other...
If your on a really tight budget...
The Zulus V1 ZHD312 and ZHD520 are a bargain and includes the 940nm vcsel from us, so you can swap out for covert hunting at closer range and spook your quarry less
DNT Zulus LRF ZHD520R 5-20X HD Digital Scope
The DNT Zulus LRF ZHD520R provides HD imaging and inbuilt ballistic calculator, featuring a cutting edge Sony Starvis 2 sensor.
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
DNT Zulus 3-12X LRF - ZHD312R
The DNT Zulus 3-12 LRF provides HD imaging and inbuilt ballistic calculator, the ZHD312R features a cutting edge Sony Starvis 2 sensor.
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
Also the original Alpex A50T-S is a steal and great performance comparable to the C50.
HikMicro Alpex Pro A50P Night Vision Scope with Rangefinder • Blackwood Outdoors
HikMicro Alpex Pro A50P night vision scope, featuring 12MP digital day and night vision scope with Light Pro imaging and 30mm tube design.
www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk
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If the unit is faulty 99% of the time it is swapped out for a new one, most of it is normally user error though.. In terms of failure rate, from all digital products I have sold the Zulus for me anyway has been rock solid, we have had minimal issues, which speaks volumes..
Thanks Ian, as usual a well balanced no BS summary.I've tested all of these scopes a lot and they all have there individual merits ... both are excellent scopes and have strong points against each other..
The best lowlight-lowlight colour and poor ambient condition night performance from all scopes are the following
Pulsar Digex C50
Pixfa Volans
HikMicro Alpex and Alpex 4K
The DNT Zulus V1 and V2 edge these during daylight and are still excellent at night, have the best ballistic system, lightest weight design, inbuilt high power IR also which further reduces weight and cost/bulk.
All depends on your needs, for the best lowlight colour retention from current models , and long range night vision performance stick with the Alpex 4K or Volans
HikMicro Alpex 4K LRF A50EL Day Night Optical Scope
HikMicro Alpex 4K LRF (A50EL) delivers ultra-HD day and night imaging, excellent low-light performance, with laser rangefinder and ballistic calculator.Pixfra Volans V850 LRF Night Vision Scope
The Pixfra Volans V850 night vision scope is a 4K resolution traditional scope design with inbuilt LRF and ballsitic calculation functionality.
For the lightweight all in one unit that are more than capable of 300yds plus at night , slightly worse performance in terms of NV and lowlight against the larger scopes with large aperture lenses then go for the Zulus V1 or V2.
DNT Zulus Night Vision Scopes • Blackwood Outdoors
Explore the DNT Zulus night vision scope range. Compare Zulus V2 models (3-12, 5-20, LRF), read our buying guide and find answers in our FAQ's.
Weights not a problem for me on a setup, as it tames the recoil down a little bit as well.. but If shooting out of a vehicle the Zulus is easier to handle, also allowing for a single press on the power button which turns IR and the eyepeice off , slick and fast , also the LRF system being single press scan and second calculate is a better system to use IMO, although nothing wrong with the others...
BARE in mind a 1080p sensor pixel is nearly x4 the size in area than a 4K pixel, allowing for much more light gathering, and compensating a lot against the larger lens models... Although a BIG ass lens is even better for light gathering ...
One things for sure the Alpex 4K is excellent and the Zulus too, depending on needs and requirements, we have sold 2K+ of both these units combined so they are equally as popular as each other...
If your on a really tight budget...
The Zulus V1 ZHD312 and ZHD520 are a bargain and includes the 940nm vcsel so you can swap out for covert hunting at closer range and spook your quarry less
DNT Zulus LRF ZHD520R 5-20X HD Digital Scope
The DNT Zulus LRF ZHD520R provides HD imaging and inbuilt ballistic calculator, featuring a cutting edge Sony Starvis 2 sensor.
DNT Zulus 3-12X LRF - ZHD312R
The DNT Zulus 3-12 LRF provides HD imaging and inbuilt ballistic calculator, the ZHD312R features a cutting edge Sony Starvis 2 sensor.
Also the original Alpex A50T-S is a steal and great performance comparable to the C50.
HikMicro Alpex Pro A50P Night Vision Scope with Rangefinder • Blackwood Outdoors
HikMicro Alpex Pro A50P night vision scope, featuring 12MP digital day and night vision scope with Light Pro imaging and 30mm tube design.
kenbro
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And, if it’s not on a rifle it’s much handier to use for viewing with.
Hard to fault a Zulus at that price point!
Foxyboy43
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Your assertion piqued my interest - which I am afraid shows your “quick Google search” was obviously a bit too quick.With respect, that video is totally misleading. If the time is correct, a quick google search shows it was taken 6 minutes before sunrise. At that time of the day its near enough daylight and more than enough ambient light for the Zulus to give an image like that. Now turn that around, 54 minutes before sunrise (6 minutes into legal light) and that image would be black with sparkling bits. There’s absolutely no way a Zulus can give that image in the video in the last and first 15 mins or so of legal light, the sensor isn’t up to it and the lens isn’t big enough to gather the light, ive got 2 use them all the time and know exactly what they are and aren’t capable of. Even Bruce says it and if you snap him in half it says Zulus in the middle
My more leisurely search shows that on 27th January 2025 sunrise in Belfast was at 08:21 which last time I went to school was a full 33 minutes after my Zulus video. Furthermore I distinctly recall being very impressed by the light gathering perhaps 15 minutes before I even thought of filming it.
Bottom line and not one to err, split “hares” I would be more than happy to have taken the shot as originally viewed but I don’t shoot hares.
Glad that’s sorted then….
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