Do any of you charge for pest control / stalking?

People who think they should be able to charge for recreational shooting or that they should get paid for it need to step back into reality.
Recreational shooting and providing a service are not the same thing.

I have a friend who enjoys tinkering with cars, as a hobby. Sometimes he fixes minor faults on my vehicles for me, and doesn't charge for it. The guys who work at my local garage also enjoy tinkering with cars. They charge me £60 per hour. So, why don't I just get my mate to fix everything for me? Well sometimes I need something done quickly and professionally, and that's worth paying for.
 
Recreational shooting and providing a service are not the same thing.

I have a friend who enjoys tinkering with cars, as a hobby. Sometimes he fixes minor faults on my vehicles for me, and doesn't charge for it. The guys who work at my local garage also enjoy tinkering with cars. They charge me £60 per hour. So, why don't I just get my mate to fix everything for me? Well sometimes I need something done quickly and professionally, and that's worth paying for.
In some cases yes, in others recreational can still be a good service. That is how I have kept hold of land to shoot over, I put the effort in on the vermin and I have a couple of thousand acres of stalking off of the back of it.

But I am mainly referring to the OP which very much sounds like a description of recreational shooting, only shooting what you can eat.

I am pretty confident I provide a good service to the landowners I shoot for and it is still recreational.

The one farmer I mentioned above who is a bit more grudging than the others recently asked me if I minded him bringing someone ‘professional’ on for the pigeons to hit them really hard. The farm is very difficult to shoot due to being on the edge of town and a lot of public access plus a few dedicated anti’s who like to cause trouble. The professional pair came on for one day and gave up, me and my buddies stuck with it and got the rape crop away.

Still recreational though something I do in my spare time to relax and get away from running 120 odd blokes that often act like school kids! And clients who are even worse…
 
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Done a bit of searching but didn't quite find what I was looking for..

Do any of you charge for your services (ignoring paid stalk days)? I've got 3 stables and a golf course that I look after. I've never charged money for petrol or ammunition, I'm in talks with a second golf course and they've asked my rate (in email). I've yet to go back to them because I don't know if I should charge.. I've been told before that by not charging people think you're just a casual stalker / pest controller (I generally try to stick to deer, rabbits and edible general licensed birds) which most of the time I am, but as I find that I now go out more and more the cost of fuel and ammo is getting expensive, I wonder if I should?

£35-40 a box of 20 centerfire
£10 a box for 50 rimfire
£10 a box for a tin of pellets
£7 (ish) a box of 25 cartridges
My Jeep now costs me £130 to fill on an empty tank

The costs certainly add up quickly these days.. Curious what others do to either be cost neutral or to make a little side money?

Thanks
SH
Out of interest what general licence are you shooting pigeons under on stables and a golf course?

Also are you planning on declaring your side money ?
 
Out of interest what general licence are you shooting pigeons under on stables and a golf course?

Also are you planning on declaring your side money ?
There aren't any pigeons at my stables so there is nothing to remove, and realistically i think you would need a lot of pigeons to justify the gl42 for ferel and wood at a stable.

From research you don't need to declare the first £1000 but I do self-assessment for outside other work so I just stick it under that. Cash now and again may get missed off occasionally but I'm not picking a fight with the tax man.
 
There aren't any pigeons at my stables so there is nothing to remove, and realistically i think you would need a lot of pigeons to justify the gl42 for ferel and wood at a stable.

From research you don't need to declare the first £1000 but I do self-assessment for outside other work so I just stick it under that. Cash now and again may get missed off occasionally but I'm not picking a fight with the tax man.
You said you shoot ‘edible general licence birds’ so feral pigeons are ruled out and wood pigeons are never going to cause serious damage of foodstuffs at a stables. So if you are shooting them you are not doing so legally on the golf course or the stables.

If you are going to charge for pest control you’d best be damned sure you are operating legally.
 
Why on earth should they! Basic supply and demand dictates that as long as there are more people hoping to secure some land to shoot on than there is available, farmers will never need to pay people to shoot their pests.

As I said above I don’t understand why people expect a hobby to pay for itself, shooting costs me money and not a small amount, but I’m happy to pay it as I enjoy it!

People who think they should be able to charge for recreational shooting or that they should get paid for it need to step back into reality.
If you stop your recreational shooting they will need to pay someone to do it.
Does that make it recreational or pest control.
The only reason stalking is recreational is because someone is willing to do it for free.
All stalking is pest control
As is all rabbit and pigeon shooting
As is all fox control.
 
You said you shoot ‘edible general licence birds’ so feral pigeons are ruled out and wood pigeons are never going to cause serious damage of foodstuffs at a stables. So if you are shooting them you are not doing so legally on the golf course or the stables.

If you are going to charge for pest control you’d best be damned sure you are operating legally.
We are saying the same thing here? Edible bird on the GL can include Canadian goose as an example which there are hundreds of at one of the stables which is around 200 acres in total.
 
If you stop your recreational shooting they will need to pay someone to do it.
Does that make it recreational or pest control.
The only reason stalking is recreational is because someone is willing to do it for free.
All stalking is pest control
As is all rabbit and pigeon shooting
As is all fox control.
Rake I understand your position I think, It's the have's and the have not's, for centuries the landowners of this Island have been able to dictate to their employees. My grandfather lost his job as a stockman because a calf died, he got evicted that night from the tied cottage they lived in, and my mother was troubled by the memories of having to move at short notice as a child, granddad found a new job immediately as he was an excellent stockman ( his previous employer was not a nice man). These landowners still hold all the cards as far as our chosen pastime is concerned, but not quite as bad as years gone by, with tighter margins for them, and rising costs, some of them are starting to realize when they have to pay, often I find the ones that are happy to pay are the new money farmers rather than the old money type!
 
If you stop your recreational shooting they will need to pay someone to do it.
Does that make it recreational or pest control.
The only reason stalking is recreational is because someone is willing to do it for free.
All stalking is pest control
As is all rabbit and pigeon shooting
As is all fox control.
No, they won’t.

Because the next person who knocks on there door will also do it for free. Or the person that’s been phoning them once a year whilst they’ve had you on the ground only to be told ‘we’ve still got someone who’s reliable and does a good job’.
 
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Some people want to be paid to shoot things while others will pay to shoot the same things.

Could possibly be an ,age' thing.
 
Rake I understand your position I think, It's the have's and the have not's, for centuries the landowners of this Island have been able to dictate to their employees. My grandfather lost his job as a stockman because a calf died, he got evicted that night from the tied cottage they lived in, and my mother was troubled by the memories of having to move at short notice as a child, granddad found a new job immediately as he was an excellent stockman ( his previous employer was not a nice man). These landowners still hold all the cards as far as our chosen pastime is concerned, but not quite as bad as years gone by, with tighter margins for them, and rising costs, some of them are starting to realize when they have to pay, often I find the ones that are happy to pay are the new money farmers rather than the old money type!
Good answer (best so far) I have in Dads room his single steel frame bed which he died in but also sleep in for when GD worked as a stock man that was the bed they had for my dad as a little boy as it could be taken apt put on the cart and down to the train station with the other small bits of furniture as the farmer raised his stick (as they did) with GD being an ex heavy weight Army boxer. I asked Dad in his late years why they moved so many times when he was young.. William Robert had fast hands he replied then he would have a cry as he did when he spoke abt GD...
 
I suspect most of the comments on this thread are skewed in favour of free shooting (or even paying to shoot), because that's what most of you want / need in order to keep your FAC.

How many of you are landowners?
I am.
If someone I didn't know came knocking on my door looking for free shooting (or even offering to pay for it) they wouldn't get it. If I had a pest problem that I couldn't deal with myself then I'd get someone to come in, deal with it ASAP, and then go. And I'd pay them for doing it.
Any other shooting is by invitation.
 
I suspect most of the comments on this thread are skewed in favour of free shooting (or even paying to shoot), because that's what most of you want / need in order to keep your FAC.

How many of you are landowners?
I am.
If someone I didn't know came knocking on my door looking for free shooting (or even offering to pay for it) they wouldn't get it. If I had a pest problem that I couldn't deal with myself then I'd get someone to come in, deal with it ASAP, and then go. And I'd pay them for doing it.
Any other shooting is by invitation.

I think conversations like this highlight the difference between those who shoot entirely for sport (including pest control) and those who use shooting as one of several skills required for their work/lives.

The days of driving up to a farm gateway and offering your wonderful, free and entirely altruistic services as a pest controller are long gone - and the rise of stalking, airgunning and social-media-influencer-wannabes has made access to land harder than ever.
 
I think conversations like this highlight the difference between those who shoot entirely for sport (including pest control) and those who use shooting as one of several skills required for their work/lives.

The days of driving up to a farm gateway and offering your wonderful, free and entirely altruistic services as a pest controller are long gone - and the rise of stalking, airgunning and social-media-influencer-wannabes has made access to land harder than ever.
I don't think driving up the long gravel driveway and offering your services to the farmer/land owner ever really worked tbf, we either got told a blunt no or if it was a yes they had already said yes to every other Tom Dick & Harry and the sport was poor, to many cooks and all that... social media is a curse, best avoided I think!
 
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I've lived in my village for 60 years or more and have most of the shooting in the parish. Over the years some of the local landowners/farmers have let various other people shoot over their land as well as me. Almost without exception unless they get good results it's only a very short while before they don't return which is absolutely useless for the owner who wants unwanted vermin removed.

I always find it strange that pigeon shooters advocate letting pigeon numbers build up before having a red letter day. the farmers I know want the pigeons moved on long before their numbers build up. causing a lot of damage. Also, after "red letter" days there are always pigeons left to carry on crop damage.
 
I've lived in my village for 60 years or more and have most of the shooting in the parish. Over the years some of the local landowners/farmers have let various other people shoot over their land as well as me. Almost without exception unless they get good results it's only a very short while before they don't return which is absolutely useless for the owner who wants unwanted vermin removed.

I always find it strange that pigeon shooters advocate letting pigeon numbers build up before having a red letter day. the farmers I know want the pigeons moved on long before their numbers build up. causing a lot of damage. Also, after "red letter" days there are always pigeons left to carry on crop damage.
I am at a loss why farmers don't send there Forman or sons/daughters to shoot the pigeons as they can drive where they want where the pigeon shooters have to walk/wheelbarrow
As landowners they are better qualified to deal with the public/dog walkers horse owners etc where the pigeon shooter has to take the flack in some cases.
Farmers put out a gas guns then let them run out of gas or don't rotate where they should go.
Lastly is they leave their crop in the hands of some one else and go shoot pheasants lol



Get it right and you can kill a lot, get it wrong and you can educate a lot more,
 
Chances are most of the places have people knocking doors to gain the shooting so if you start charging for something most people will do for free recreationally you may find you lose ground. Especially if you are not offering a full pest control service to include, moles, rats and Corvids on the golf course ripping it up for the leather jackets.


I really don’t understand why people expect shooting as a hobby to be cost neutral not many other hobbies are! If it is your full time job that is different but if you are recreational then expect to pay for it!

One way to find out.
If I need a tree cut down near my house I'll pay a professional not let the hobby "tree surgeon" from down the road have a crack at it by himself, much the same as getting a kitchen fitted by a professional and not some bloke I've never met but does a bit of DIY at home because he enjoys it.

It amazes me that some people here can't differentiate their hobby from getting a proper job done.
 
If I need a tree cut down near my house I'll pay a professional not let the hobby "tree surgeon" from down the road have a crack at it by himself, much the same as getting a kitchen fitted by a professional and not some bloke I've never met but does a bit of DIY at home because he enjoys it.

It amazes me that some people here can't differentiate their hobby from getting a proper job done.
I’ve cut some pretty big trees down without event and fitted 2 kitchens 😂.

I can absolutely differentiate between a hobby and a professional service, I am not claiming I do a professional service but I do a very good recreational service. To the extent that none of the 7 landowners I shoot for feel they need to resort to a professional service.

How is that so difficult for people to accept?
 
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