Do you NEED signed permission?

[Akeld]

Provide contact details of the landowner or farmer, or perhaps ask the farmer to email the FEO

 

[Erik Hamburger]

1. No
2. However when dealing with the Police re.licensing matters it is easier and more productive to be pragmatic and cooperate, rather than to obstruct and delay.

If you don't want to inconvenience your landowner why not write the letter yourself, and simply ask your landowner to sign. Than give him a copy and keep the original for yourself.

 

[CharlieT]

Such documents are NOT a legal requirement. In fact all that needs to be completed is form 201, which as you know at question 14, asks where you intend to use your firearm/s. Nothing further is required.

Infact our force make this quite clear on their "land form" by clearly printing on it:

Additional information required for FIREARM CERTIFICATES only:-The information below is requested to assist the processing of your application. If you intend to shooton club ranges, please have Section A completed. For shooting vermin or other sporting purposes,please have Section B completed by the land owner or by the person holding the Shooting Rights.
Note: This is not an official document and is provided for your convenience only

 

[Dama Dama 6.5]

Why bu**er about if your FEO says he wants a signed permission, just give it to him, you can them point out this is not a requirement in law, but you are happy to go along with it, or go hire yourself a lawyer and spend a fortune defending your "principles" I have a great relationship with my FEO because " he asks or suggests" and I provide, mind you he is very reasonable as he gave me open ticket for paid stalking on first application, after being out of shooting for years
basicaly play the game and dont upset the system if you want a FAC

i'm sorry Ray7756 I can't agree with on "playing the game" here. It's because of people who are willing to "play the game" by bending over backwards to meet the desires of the feo that some feo's think they can making up law as they go along and getting away with it! I'm not having a pop at you personal but I think we're all on a very slippery slope if we all just agree with whatever the feo's ask for or have to say. Just keep it simple and do what the law requires nothing more nothing less.

 

[Dalua]

Despite it being an open cert, you still need to show good reason to possess, which means proof of permission to shoot somewhere.

I'm not sure that's true.

Why bu**er about if your FEO says he wants a signed permission, just give it to him, you can them point out this is not a requirement in law, but you are happy to go along with it, or go hire yourself a lawyer and spend a fortune defending your "principles" I have a great relationship with my FEO because " he asks or suggests" and I provide, mind you he is very reasonable as he gave me open ticket for paid stalking on first application, after being out of shooting for years
basicaly play the game and dont upset the system if you want a FAC

This sounds like Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[Rasputin]

Not law but it would clearly save you a lot of hassle. Write the letter for the land owner and then get him to sign it. 2 seconds out of his day!

As galling as it may be some times its just easier to bite the bullet and get it done.

 

[Tim.243]

Personally I would always get signed permission. You may not HAVE to do it and providing addresses may be enough, but having everything on paper is just easier all round.

I heard a story not long ago about a chap who had verbal permission from a farmer to shoot rabbits on his land. So off the guy goes with his rifle and some how during the course of an evenings shooting a round ends up going through someones kitchen window whether by ricochet or negligence.

The police were called (natch) and as questions were being asked the guy was saying that he had permission from the farmer to shoot. The farmer, possibly concerned about some legal grief coming his way, said he'd never seen the guy before - So as a result the guy had poaching and armed trespass charges to worry about in addition to getting his ticket pulled.

If you have your ticket, some ID and permission in writing on your person while you're out in the event that something happens, even if that something is just a passer by calling the police who have some questions for you, you can prove who you are, that you have permission to be there and you legally own the guns you're out with.

No ticket, no permission letter, no ID - You've got some hassle coming your way even if it all ultimately works out in your favour.

Having the piece of paper will not stop the round whizzing off in what ever direction it wants....!!


The only safe shot is not to take one....

Tim.243

 

[stubear]

Having the piece of paper will not stop the round whizzing off in what ever direction it wants....!!


The only safe shot is not to take one....

Tim.243

Tim, I completely agree with you - I dont know the details of this anecdote above and beyond what I've written here, but my point was rather to show that having the signed permission to hand would have at least prevented the land owner from stating he didnt know the guy and avoided additional aggro around armed trespass/poaching charges in addition to the likely loss of ticket due to the ND.

 

[Taff]

Personally I would always get signed permission. You may not HAVE to do it and providing addresses may be enough, but having everything on paper is just easier all round.

I heard a story not long ago about a chap who had verbal permission from a farmer to shoot rabbits on his land. So off the guy goes with his rifle and some how during the course of an evenings shooting a round ends up going through someones kitchen window whether by ricochet or negligence.

The police were called (natch) and as questions were being asked the guy was saying that he had permission from the farmer to shoot. The farmer, possibly concerned about some legal grief coming his way, said he'd never seen the guy before - So as a result the guy had poaching and armed trespass charges to worry about in addition to getting his ticket pulled.

love the story, with friends like this who needs enemy's , on my main permission which was owned by a proper country gentleman I had two instances, the first the police rang on renewal to check info, the owner denied knowing xxxxxxxxxxx, then realised and said you must mean Taffy , didn't,t know his real name, on a second occasion someone rang the police to say he had been shot at while on a footpath ( we don,t have a footpath) the police arrived at the main house and told the story to said gentleman, he replied " only taffy is shooting here today,and I know he was not shooting at him , as if he had he would have hit him " never heard another word from the police.

 

[stratts]

I recently had my renewal done and never sent any info in with my paperwork about the land I have permission on as it's on the database at the firearms dept and I have an open licence. When I had the call as they are now done over the phone, I just confirmed that I still had the same permissions, which I do and my renewal was granted. I get on well with them tbh as I've had more than my share of variations too and start to finish less than 2 weeks my new cert was through my door.

So short answer from me is no but they all seem different unfortunately!!

Stratts