DSC1 manual arrived today [GULP!] practical question

[kevin01041961]

Hi , I did the course in September in Thetford, enjoy it but practice and then practice some more shooting from stick both sat and standing, we had 3 fail on our course 2 on the safety and one on the shooting test, get your better half to go through the safety questions and scenarios until you know them well in enough to recite back verbatim , and practise your safety make sure you over exaggerate the safety .
The questions you ask will have already been covered but enjoy, I drove my wife mad doing the questions , but I nearly failed on the observation!!! jumping in instead of thinking and looking

best of luck

 

[Greenmist]

Why don't you just ask your course provider? Regards JCS

Exactly, we were allowed to use homeloads and any deer legal calibre, I was an Englishman doing mine in Scotland. I think there might have been a disclaimer to sign for non factory ammo (it was a while ago) just to cover them though

 

[zambezi]

Exactly, we were allowed to use homeloads and any deer legal calibre, I was an Englishman doing mine in Scotland. I think there might have been a disclaimer to sign for non factory ammo (it was a while ago) just to cover them though

When I did the DSC1, all candidates massed on the same firing point and shot side-by-side. Thus the proximity to other shooters placed a burden of care on the conveners. Just this week I was told of an actual event in which a novice reloader blew up his new rifle at the RFD's range. Apparently he was the only person on the firing point at that time. Miraculously he survived, but metal was sundered.

In the DSC1 massed firing point scenario, any individual signing a personal waiver could not possibly absolve the administering body of responsibility as to what happens to those in close proximity to such and event. It is about reasonable mitigation of risk.

 

[gonzo]

Some course providers may not want home loads because of liability etc. As has been said a few times.
An alternative answer may be... Examiners may not allow them, as they cannot be sure that you have loaded them up the the required velocity to be deer legal?

On my DSC1, I used the estate rifle, as I could not be sure the range in use was insured for target use. And at that time I didn't have sporting use on my FAC. £2 per round was a shock though! As I'm a tight fisted reloader.
A few others had tech failures and defaulted to the estate gun also. But I don't think anyone failed the safety/marksmanship that day.

 

[rainman_l]

Job done and certificate arrived yesterday. Thank you for all the support and guidance. Great forum and members. Have a great Xmas and New Year

 

[Rory]

Well done, it's good to have the confidence now in ones abilities, so good luck with the next adventures.

 

[.277]

Don't use the manual it will just make it more confusing. If you want to pass the written join here DSCtraining.org | Online training for your DSC1 they have all the questions and more importantly all the answers. You use the site for £10 a month it's good value. I used the site when I was forced to do dsc1 if I wanted to rent a wood the examiner said too me I got 100% right on the written test. Use it your fly through the written .

Good luck

 

[British Shooting Services]

Don't use the manual it will just make it more confusing. If you want to pass the written join here DSCtraining.org | Online training for your DSC1 they have all the questions and more importantly all the answers. You use the site for £10 a month it's good value. I used the site when I was forced to do dsc1 if I wanted to rent a wood the examiner said too me I got 100% right on the written test. Use it your fly through the written .

Good luck

Be careful, with this particular site, it is not run by DMQ and some of the answers have been found to be incorrect. I believe DMQ are aware of this and do contact them from time to time to amend the relevant questions. We had an issue on our last course, where a client insisted that his answer was correct and showed us the question via tablet, The assessor present (also one of the DMQ directors) confirmed that the website was incorrect and the answer in the BDS or David Stretton paper manual are correct. Considering the percentages required to pass and that the question papers are randomly generated from the DMQ question bank, the odd wrong answer would not normally make a difference to the outcome.

 

[artschool]

one of my friends took a photo of my standing shot during the shooting test.

 

[.277]

Yes from a bank of can't remember the number of questions. That site has all the questions. It is the correct answers. I phoned up dmq because there got wrong answer to the questions as well. Like the one can't remember the exact question shooting a target with expanding ammo and stalking. If you say you can with expanding ammo the dmq answer is that's wrong. In fact you can expanding ammo is no longer section 5. Dsc1 is just a money making racket but you now need it to rent gov and some private woods. I look on it as the same kind of thing as the eu making up rules to make money

 

[British Shooting Services]

In regards to " home loads" there are several issues, some might say its BS or an a**e covering exercise.
1) "Deer legal ammunition" is a requirement for the course.
2) The assessor is not in a position to check if your home loads meet the legal minimum requirements, neither is the Range Officer.
3) home loads may not meet with SAMMI regulations (and therefore may be dangerous, especially hot loads or manufactured using bad reloading techniques)
4) Wherever the shooting test is being done, (range or field) there must be an insurance policy in place for it, because it is an organised event, with fee paying clients. Your BASC / BDS / CLA / NGO or whatever insurance you hold, WILL NOT protect the organiser or you, from legal action or claim if your gun blows up and injures or kills persons on the range. The main liability is with the provider.
5) Providers have a legal obligation to show due diligence in all areas for their insurance to be effective.

On another note regarding insurance, anyone who pays for guided stalking, should ensure that the guide holds the correct insurance for taking fee paying clients. If something were to go wrong and the guide only held a "membership" insurance (usual BASC / NGO etc) they are not covered because it is no longer recreational stalking, it is a commercial enterprise. Even when the provider (me included) states that clients must hold a valid shooting insurance policy, the guide must hold a commercial insurance policy. Be aware, there are "stalking guides" out there who are not covered for client services.

 

[VSS]

On another note regarding insurance, anyone who pays for guided stalking, should ensure that the guide holds the correct insurance for taking fee paying clients. If something were to go wrong and the guide only held a "membership" insurance (usual BASC / NGO etc) they are not covered because it is no longer recreational stalking, it is a commercial enterprise. Even when the provider (me included) states that clients must hold a valid shooting insurance policy, the guide must hold a commercial insurance policy. Be aware, there are "stalking guides" out there who are not covered for client services.

With regards to this point about insurance, does the BDS membership insurance, which allows for a certain amount of commercial activity, cover stalkers / guides in this situation?

 

[willowbank]

Send Redleg a msg he did his there not so long ago, nice chap will put you right

Good luck

Willowbank

 

[British Shooting Services]

With regards to this point about insurance, does the BDS membership insurance, which allows for a certain amount of commercial activity, cover stalkers / guides in this situation?

As far as I am aware, it does not. My insurance is via a company that BASC directed me to, because of me providing professional stalking /guiding and client services. The policy is called The Gamekeepers / Stalkers Policy via Clivertons and covers the usual, public, product and employers liability. The policy is competitively priced, but is a lot more than my annual trade membership of Basc and NGO combined.

 

[VSS]

As far as I am aware, it does not. My insurance is via a company that BASC directed me to, because of me providing professional stalking /guiding and client services. The policy is called The Gamekeepers / Stalkers Policy via Clivertons and covers the usual, public, product and employers liability. The policy is competitively priced, but is a lot more than my annual trade membership of Basc and NGO combined.

Thanks. I was thinking of the BDS membership plus insurance package, which costs about £80 per year, and covers you even if earning up to £5,000 per year from stalking related activities. Presumably that includes guiding, carcass sales etc?

 

[British Shooting Services]

Thanks. I was thinking of the BDS membership plus insurance package, which costs about £80 per year, and covers you even if earning up to £5,000 per year from stalking related activities. Presumably that includes guiding, carcass sales etc?

Think you'd better start a thread on insurance, because we are hijacking the DSC1 thread. The carcass sales etc, will only be covered if you are registered as a food business, illegal to supply carcasses otherwise.

 

[User00001]

Thanks. I was thinking of the BDS membership plus insurance package, which costs about £80 per year, and covers you even if earning up to £5,000 per year from stalking related activities. Presumably that includes guiding, carcass sales etc?

https://www.bds.org.uk/index.php/documents/266-mgam-liability-schedule-website-jan-19/file

 

[8x57]

Don't use the manual it will just make it more confusing. If you want to pass the written join here DSCtraining.org | Online training for your DSC1 they have all the questions and more importantly all the answers. You use the site for £10 a month it's good value. I used the site when I was forced to do dsc1 if I wanted to rent a wood the examiner said too me I got 100% right on the written test. Use it your fly through the written .

Good luck

That will depend if you want to take a short cut and just have set answers to set questions. I am not knocking the website that you suggested but if you want a better understanding of the subject you need to read the manual and if you're seriously interested other books on the subject too.

 

[Scotty99]

As others have said keep it simple and don't overthink the shooting test.

If your course is not until December you have loads of time to get your shooting sorted out.

Stick to factory ammo and forget home loads for the test. Most testing authorities do not allow home loads, not for any ballistic reasons but for potential health and safely and liability issues.

So keep experimenting and find a factory ammo brand and bullet weight that groups well enough to get three consecutive shots into a four inch area at 100 yards prone, 70 yards sitting or kneeling and 40 yards standing. When you find this ammo keep practising with it.

Use a a good set of sticks (2, 3 or Quad sticks whatever gives you the most stable platform) for the sitting and standing tests and a sturdy bipod for the prone position.

You will a chance to check zero on rifle before you take the test and these can also double as fouling shots if you think your rifle needs them.

Above all relax. Like you I was very concerned about the shooting test but managed like most on my course to complete it with all shots in the target area first time.

There were two young lads on my course from the FC who were taking the course as part of their training with the FC. Neither had fired a rifle before, they needed a little bit of practice on the zeroing session but both passed the shooting test easily.

Don't panic!!

 

[Broadarrow]

Glyn hit the nail on the head a few posts back...There is a bit of mis-information on this forum. I would strongly advise contacting Glyn at the BDS to get the correct information BEFORE you arrive for the course....Otherwise it could prove expensive if you have to cancel / try again etc

Read the manual and course instruction well in advance......Its great course .

 

[rainman_l]

In regards to " home loads" there are several issues, some might say its BS or an a**e covering exercise.
1) "Deer legal ammunition" is a requirement for the course.
2) The assessor is not in a position to check if your home loads meet the legal minimum requirements, neither is the Range Officer.
3) home loads may not meet with SAMMI regulations (and therefore may be dangerous, especially hot loads or manufactured using bad reloading techniques)
4) Wherever the shooting test is being done, (range or field) there must be an insurance policy in place for it, because it is an organised event, with fee paying clients. Your BASC / BDS / CLA / NGO or whatever insurance you hold, WILL NOT protect the organiser or you, from legal action or claim if your gun blows up and injures or kills persons on the range. The main liability is with the provider.
5) Providers have a legal obligation to show due diligence in all areas for their insurance to be effective.

On another note regarding insurance, anyone who pays for guided stalking, should ensure that the guide holds the correct insurance for taking fee paying clients. If something were to go wrong and the guide only held a "membership" insurance (usual BASC / NGO etc) they are not covered because it is no longer recreational stalking, it is a commercial enterprise. Even when the provider (me included) states that clients must hold a valid shooting insurance policy, the guide must hold a commercial insurance policy. Be aware, there are "stalking guides" out there who are not covered for client services.

Hi
The explanation of the RO was that 1. Home loads not covered by insurance 2. Variable experience of homeloaders present a further unmanageable risk