Dsc2 assessor

[W16OEN]

Can one ask for the designated assessor to be changed? I spoke with mine and did not like his abrupt manner and condescending opinion towards levels 2 witnessed stalks. I have the blue book and without doubt there ARE some good level 2's out there who I intend to use. I feel at a disadvantage now that my assesor has said dont waste your time with Level 2's and use AW'S?
What do you think? thanks.

 

[JC275]

DSC2 evidence is 'candidate led' so it is up to you to make sure that portfolio is completed to the required standard whether you (as a blue book holder) choose to use an incredible witness or an approved witness. I suppose that you could contact DMQ and request that a certain Assessor does not have anything to do with your portfolio by claiming conflict of interest/personality clash but, to be honest, I would just get on with it, enjoy the process and take a pride in producing a good portfolio. If you make a big fuss about it you will end up treating the whole thing as a negative experience, no one else will care, and it will be you that suffers. Just my opinion. JC

 

[Dan Gliballs]

I was under the impression that candidates that registered for DMQ2 AFTER July 2010 could only use AW's for their stalks?

 

[JC275]

I was under the impression that candidates that registered for DMQ2 AFTER July 2010 could only use AW's for their stalks?

There are still people who registered before that date able to use CW's, I guess Wigeon is one of those. JC

 

[User00014]

Can one ask for the designated assessor to be changed? I spoke with mine and did not like his abrupt manner and condescending opinion towards levels 2 witnessed stalks. I have the blue book and without doubt there ARE some good level 2's out there who I intend to use. I feel at a disadvantage now that my assesor has said dont waste your time with Level 2's and use AW'S?
What do you think? thanks.

which assessment centre did you go with ?

i did mine with the BDS and my assessor was a right plank ! and i told him so .

my AW was an assessor for BASC and couldnt see any problems with my portfolio .

i wonder if its the same bloke ?

cheers lee

 

[Mannlicher_Stu]

Where abouts in the Country are you Wigeon? and have you got your own spot ? If your on the Blue portfolio only to willing to assist if your local.

All it will cost is my petrol money

 

[limulus]

My DSC2 AW is spot on, I'm on the green portfolio.
Just because you dont seem to have hit it off with your assessor is no reason to try and have him changed, I expect no matter what personality clashes may or may not be present (usually three sides to every story, yours, his and the truth somewhere between) that your assessor will be nothing but professional in the performance of his duties.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

If your evidence is fine and the all the written parts are to standard then whatever an assessor says you will have achieved the necessary criteria. Having said that you could register with an alternative assessment centre but I don't this that has ever been done!

You might just had got a decent guy on a bad day when you spoke to the assessor?. In the blue portfolio remember that one ICR must be with an AW but the other 2 can be CW's. Best of luck though!

 

[stone]

W16oen

to be honest I would do 1 stalk with a CW and 2 stalks with an AW
the 2 stalks with the AW's will carry more weight granted and as long as your CW witnessed stalk was truthfull then I don't see a problem
your Assessor will be happy to give you advice and guidance on what they would like to see and read about, it is probably the reason why you phoned them in the first place to find out what they are looking for
follow there advice and it will help makes things run a little smoother in the long run

 

[W16OEN]

Thanks for all your advice and offers of help. The level 2 chap for two of my stalks is a sound bloke who stalked in Scotland continuously for two years and accounted for a good number of Reds he also took clients out and I feel we can put together a professional account for the assessor.
My blue book expires in Dec 2012 - I have sat on it for the last year but need to crack on now.
Cheers

 

[sikamalc]

In many cases people who have the Level 2 have had far more experinece than the AW's. I am not knocking AW's, but some of the ones I have met............

Many have not even taken all the species in the UK, and do not take clients out, and they have very limited experience.

Now before you all jump on the BANDWAGON, as I know there will be some just itching to reply to this! I did say I am not knocking all AW's, but there are some out there who certainly do not have the experience that they should have in years and are only familier with one or two species.

 

[sweep 6.5x55]

In many cases people who have the Level 2 have had far more experinece than the AW's. I am not knocking AW's, but some of the ones I have met............

Many have not even taken all the species in the UK, and do not take clients out, and they have very limited experience.

Now before you all jump on the BANDWAGON, as I know there will be some just itching to reply to this! I did say I am not knocking all AW's, but there are some out there who certainly do not have the experience that they should have in years and are only familier with one or two species.

+1 on that Malc.

There are far too many who do not have anywhere near enough experiance or shoot enough deer.

Personally I think you should not be able to be an AW unless you have stalked for at least 10 years AND shoot at least 80 deer per year.

I do have to agree about the IN-credible witness's thou as I have heard and known of a number of ICR's that have been signed up around a table in a pub without a person ever going out and doing the stalk.

 

[sikamalc]

+1 on that Malc.

There are far too many who do not have anywhere near enough experiance or shoot enough deer.

Personally I think you should not be able to be an AW unless you have stalked for at least 10 years AND shoot at least 80 deer per year.

I do have to agree about the IN-credible witness's thou as I have heard and known of a number of ICR's that have been signed up around a table in a pub without a person ever going out and doing the stalk.

To a certain extent I think what you have written may have gone on in the past, but I would be very suprised if this type of behaviour was still undertaken today.

However I do agree with any AW having at least 10 years experience, as I am aware of some who passed their Level 2 and within a very short time registered themselves as an AW . Not in my book I am afraid.
The system seems to have improved, but I do feel that stopping an experienced CW from filling in a portfolio is just another hurdle of time and expence which many cannot afford. I have filled in a few over the past year or two (old Level 2 portfolio) along with another very experienced CW on this site, and have had the candidate call back and tell us that the paperwork and questions asked were better than the AW.

What I will say is that this site has done more to help fellow stalkers out with their stalking and Level 2 than any other site on the web

 

[devilishdave]

I had the same chat with the assessor and there was a hint of nepotism the assesor said he new my AW and any write up from him would go through no problem. Although he new the DSC2 guy I was intending to go out with he didn't know him that well. What he was saying was that the stalk with the DSC2 guy would be scrutinised more. I discussed this with my AW he said sod it go out with the DSC2 guy any way which I did. The DSC2 guy asked me questions he had been asked on his and the book was filled in accordingly. when I finaly got the Phone call when my book was being processed there was no issues with the stalk done with the DSC2 Guy.

Make sure you get all the detail in there expand on all of your questions. State exactly what you are intending to stalk and ensur it ties up with what you cull. Ensure there is a statement to the effect that you were efective, safe and hygenic and that you had prepared all of your equipment well.

Dave

 

[6pointer]

Malc you are correct there are plenty of chaps who are AW.s who have not shot all the 6 deer in the uk and i am sure that will make a big difference to the lev of witnessing that is given. . After only shooting 3 of the 6 i feel totally inadequate. I have asked DMQ TO TAKE ME OFF THE REGISTER.. I feel there should be a standard but to suggest that the 6 differnt deer being shot is one of them is just a bit much to take. The reason the Assesors want AW.s is they have been brieft and in MOST! cases if there is a problem it comes from that area.

 

[JC275]

We've stalked this ground many times! I think that we can all agree that there will always be good, bad and average in all walks of life and AW's/CW's are no different.

The main problems in the past with the use of CW's was the lack of accountability, the variable standard of work expected of a candidate (note that I am note knocking the CW's own standards but what they expected of others) and, quite frequently, the number of admisitrative errors that were made. I think (hope) that most of these problems are in the past now.

Any of you lads that currently act as CW's would be well advised to contact DMQ and find out about future AW briefings as there will come a time when all of the blue books are either complete or expired and it would be a shame for 'the system' to loose your input. JC

 

[sikamalc]

Malc you are correct there are plenty of chaps who are AW.s who have not shot all the 6 deer in the uk and i am sure that will make a big difference to the lev of witnessing that is given. . After only shooting 3 of the 6 i feel totally inadequate. I have asked DMQ TO TAKE ME OFF THE REGISTER.. I feel there should be a standard but to suggest that the 6 differnt deer being shot is one of them is just a bit much to take. The reason the Assesors want AW.s is they have been brieft and in MOST! cases if there is a problem it comes from that area.

I take it Davie that you are one of the few AW's then that have limited experience in the 6 species of deer and the environments that they live. During the Level 1 exam candidates are asked to identify all 6 species, therefore I see no difference in at least having an AW that has had experience in taking all 6 species. After all you are expecting an AW to be an experienced stalker , some of whom are not.

I think it would certainly sort out the chaff from the wheat so to speak

 

[6pointer]

Sorry Malc any knob can shoot six deer mate and a limited knowlage of all deer in britain does not make them an expearienced person . Now a person that has the expearience of managing all spieces of deer in britain and with a back ground of deer management of maybe 20 - 30 years with them would be excellent but how you would get the one or two people in britain to assess every one is beyond me. Please remember this is an assessment of some ones safty field craft and meat hygene field and larder. regards knowing the deer and seasons they proved that in there Lev1 Assessment.

 

[sikamalc]

Not every knob can shoot all 6 species, would you know how to approach an area and stalk CWD? or Fallowm and I dont mean just once either. I think you are right we will end with just one or two people assessing as they have now made it just AW's so that really limits people even more with the possability of getting Level 2 signed off. Could be another way for AW's to make even more money out of people by restricting and limiting peoples choice and options.

Some I believe have just passed their Level 2 and within a year are AW's. Then they are in a position to judge people who have stalked for many more years and are perfectly capable of managing deer. I am sure many AW's are very good, I just think that having now taken off perfectly good CW's some of whom are far more experienced than some AW's it is now making obtaining Level 2 beyond some peoples pockets.

 

[Mannlicher_Stu]

Not every knob can shoot all 6 species, would you know how to approach an area and stalk CWD? or Fallowm and I dont mean just once either. I think you are right we will end with just one or two people assessing as they have now made it just AW's so that really limits people even more with the possability of getting Level 2 signed off. Could be another way for AW's to make even more money out of people by restricting and limiting peoples choice and options.


Some I believe have just passed their Level 2 and within a year are AW's. Then they are in a position to judge people who have stalked for many more years and are perfectly capable of managing deer. I am sure many AW's are very good, I just think that having now taken off perfectly good CW's some of whom are far more experienced than some AW's it is now making obtaining Level 2 beyond some peoples pockets.

Feck me the pennies dropped has it I have been whittering on about it for the last 3 years and now its become a closed shop and now its a gravey train for those chosen few panic is setting in. To late Malc.