I understand what has happened with technology in recent years and what could occur, if battery capacity gets to the stage where you could do close to 1000 miles then we would be in a different position, however I am not away of any commercially available car that is capable of anything like a realistic on road 500 mile range at present and you would not run it until empty but re charge when it got to around 80% loss. The issue you seem to gloss over is the amount of vehicles that will be on the road and potentially require re charge, or maybe I could keep that petrol driven generator in the boot. I think we all know why the UK has announced it will bring forward the ban and if we are honest it is principally for political gain and demonstrating that the UK is a "leader" in all things green.
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JabaliHunter
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Sure you can - you just have to figure out how to capture the carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, etc.
Why do you need a car (ev or fossil fuel) with a range of 1000 miles?,
There are many petrol or diesel cars on the road now that don't even have a range of 500 miles
I know from personal experience of owning many petrol and diesel cars, small and large, that I typically refill them at somewhere between 300 and 350 miles.
I don't think you'll ever see evs with a range of 1000 miles - it's simply not necessary, but 500 mile evs will be here soon - although they will be expensive.
Most of us are not travelling salesmen doing 50k plus miles a year. I agree that doing such a job in any of the current evs wouldn't be a lot of fun.
Most of us drive less than 10k miles a year and most of those miles are short journeys, for which evs are perfectly suited.
Another indisputable fact in favour of evs is that they don't produce any tail pipe emissions which, particularly in congested towns and cities helps improve air quality.
Cheers
Bruce
There are many petrol or diesel cars on the road now that don't even have a range of 500 miles
I know from personal experience of owning many petrol and diesel cars, small and large, that I typically refill them at somewhere between 300 and 350 miles.
I don't think you'll ever see evs with a range of 1000 miles - it's simply not necessary, but 500 mile evs will be here soon - although they will be expensive.
Most of us are not travelling salesmen doing 50k plus miles a year. I agree that doing such a job in any of the current evs wouldn't be a lot of fun.
Most of us drive less than 10k miles a year and most of those miles are short journeys, for which evs are perfectly suited.
Another indisputable fact in favour of evs is that they don't produce any tail pipe emissions which, particularly in congested towns and cities helps improve air quality.
Cheers
Bruce
Sure you can - you just have to figure out how to capture the carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, etc.
Just like nuclear fusion then
Cheers
Bruce
enfieldspares
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My Triumph Vitesse 6 built in 1964 had maybe a similar idea. The actual tank had a reserve part that you moved a lever to seal it off from supplying fuel into the whole tank, so if you ran out you went around the back, opened the boot and moved a lever across to allow that reserve to then fuel the engine. Most folk I know just moved the lever across so that the reserve then just served as increased capacity for the total.
Unfortunately you are taking the same view as our politicians, "most of us" if it suits most it must be ok and sod everyone else. Maybe in the brave new world we will all have the same model 500mile plus range electric car and all never do more than 10k miles a year but I very much doubt it and the petrol and diesel cars on the road do indeed have a range of much less than 1000 miles but to fill them up and carry on takes 5 minutes. I agree emissions need to be reduced for all sorts of reasons and as I previously said for those it suits then plug in electric is fine but for those who it does not suit there should be the option of hybrids. What wont change is that we are not all the same or have the same requirements and laws that exclude the needs some of us are not good, much like the proposals from some for a complete ban on private firearm ownership, after all they say it wouldn't affect most of society.
enfieldspares
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'Twas ever just so. The tyranny of the majority. Or in baser words "I'm alright Jack".
xavierdoc
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The whole field of electric car tech is advancing more rapidly than people realise.
Nio already produce a car and stations with automated battery swap (free) in 6mins. At present the only locations are in China.
The short-sided naysayers will snipe from the sidelines, lacking vision and failing to see the bigger picture and, indeed, the personal benefits but at present no one is being forced to switch to electric (thankfully). I am guessing the knee-jerk negativity may stem from fear that enforced change will come too soon.
The way I see it, each EV on the road, means a bit more remaining dino-juice for those applications which electric cannot yet fulfil (flight, road freight, etc) and for my thirsty 4x4!
Last October I was looking at another years tax at 570.00 and the ongoing maintenance costs of a 13 year old X5 so I traded in on a Renault Zoe EV paid 5k and 50.00 a month battery rental which pretty much evens out the tax. It does 74 miles on a single charge in a cold snap and 90 in the summer. Either way its more than enough for my 54 mile commute, charge it on a granny cable into the plug socket in the garage. I was nervous about making the change, range etc but am really pleased with it and am confident enough now to go and stay with friends at distances where I’d need an overnight charge so long as they have a suitable point I can run an extension cable to. We have kept my wife’s 1.0 lt petrol for the relatively few occasions the EV can’t deal with, she also works. I appreciate everyone’s circumstances (no second car, no of road parking etc) and needs range wise are different but if anyone is in similar circumstances I would say go for it. We had a meal with a new neighbor recently who drives his Range Rover to the rail station daily for commute into London, all off a 2 mile round trip. The best he could come up why he hadn’t gone with electric (given his wife’s fallback 4x4) was that on the rare occasion the steam at the foot of his drive floods over the road, he can press the suspension extended mode to go through the 5 inch deep floodwater. I don’t think the irony was lost on him happily. EV’s will not suit a lot of people for sure, many valid reasons, but the switch to one was one I for sure put off for too long without any good reason.
Same here, Hilux would be the obvious contender...
The nearest has been the RX lexus' But Toyota restricted the towing capacity to 2 tonnes. With all that power and low rev torque they should be brilliant off road and towing. Bit heavy when compared to a Jimny...but Landcruisers are not light.
The Volvo XC90 T8 manages 2,400kg towing.
The plug in hybrid Range Rover Sport manages 2500kg
Alan
I'm no longer a fan of hybrids or plug in hybrids.
They are the classic example of machine which can do two thing, but can do neither thing well.
If you are running on electric power in a "mild" hybrid you'll be lucky to get more than a mile of range.
These cars are best in slow moving traffic where you can doddle along in electric power and not be putting out nasty emission when the vehicle us not moving.
When you are running on the petrol engine (which is probably 90% of the time) you are lugging around the weight of the battery pack and the electric motors which are doing nothing for you
Trust me, I know about this. I had a Lexus RX400H and now have a Lexus NX300H.
I didn't buy them because they were hybrids, I bought them because Lexus build comfortable, well equipped, reliable cars.
Plug in Hybrids suffer from the same issues, except that some of them do have enough range to make them usable as pure electric commuter vehicles, although none of them on sale in the UK at present can do more than about 30 miles in pure electric mode.
Towing when in pure electric mode will destroy the electric range.
In fact, when towing, all current plug in hybrids would spend virtually all their time running their petrol engines except when sitting in traffic or going downhill!
I did consider buying a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.
Over the right ground, it could be a great foxing vehicle because, in electric mode, it is virtually silent.
However, it's definitely not designed for off road use and the with the battery pack the lowest point on the vehicle and covering a large part of the underside of the vehicle, it could get extremely expensive if the battery pack got whacked by a rock
I agree that a pick up like the Hilux could be the basis for an excellent ev pick up - but try telling that to Toyota.
After coming up with their hybrid drive which is now available for most of their cars, they stubbornly refuse to accept the need for pure electric cars.
Actually, there is a pure electric Lexus UX coming out next year, and they have just entered some form of partnership with Panasonic to research battery technology, but they have fallen way behind the curve on pure electric vehicles.
Cheers
Bruce
They are the classic example of machine which can do two thing, but can do neither thing well.
If you are running on electric power in a "mild" hybrid you'll be lucky to get more than a mile of range.
These cars are best in slow moving traffic where you can doddle along in electric power and not be putting out nasty emission when the vehicle us not moving.
When you are running on the petrol engine (which is probably 90% of the time) you are lugging around the weight of the battery pack and the electric motors which are doing nothing for you
Trust me, I know about this. I had a Lexus RX400H and now have a Lexus NX300H.
I didn't buy them because they were hybrids, I bought them because Lexus build comfortable, well equipped, reliable cars.
Plug in Hybrids suffer from the same issues, except that some of them do have enough range to make them usable as pure electric commuter vehicles, although none of them on sale in the UK at present can do more than about 30 miles in pure electric mode.
Towing when in pure electric mode will destroy the electric range.
In fact, when towing, all current plug in hybrids would spend virtually all their time running their petrol engines except when sitting in traffic or going downhill!
I did consider buying a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.
Over the right ground, it could be a great foxing vehicle because, in electric mode, it is virtually silent.
However, it's definitely not designed for off road use and the with the battery pack the lowest point on the vehicle and covering a large part of the underside of the vehicle, it could get extremely expensive if the battery pack got whacked by a rock
I agree that a pick up like the Hilux could be the basis for an excellent ev pick up - but try telling that to Toyota.
After coming up with their hybrid drive which is now available for most of their cars, they stubbornly refuse to accept the need for pure electric cars.
Actually, there is a pure electric Lexus UX coming out next year, and they have just entered some form of partnership with Panasonic to research battery technology, but they have fallen way behind the curve on pure electric vehicles.
Cheers
Bruce
What they can do in this transition period, is reduce pollution when in urban areas and still give high MPG figures like for like with no restrictions on range.
Alan
kenbro
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I’ve seen a hybrid double decker bus pottering around Manchester area.
Ken.
The boyfriend of one of my German "journeygirls" used to drive hybrid bendy busses around Frankfurt during his vacation time at University.
Alan
Bavarianbrit
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enfieldspares
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I cannot take Johnson seriously (this is more spaff and guff that we can but guess the two people who it is designed to please) when a better solution might be to prohibit by 2025 even if by exorbitant initial tax at purchase any vehicle in the PLG class with an engine above 2.3cc.
Odders
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My 36Twh is the total amount of electricity needed to charge 20 million cars over a year, with them driving an average of 6,000 miles, not the amount needed per hour, so the figure is not in the least misleading.
As for the ban on non electric cars: Typical of those who cannot see outside the Westminster Bubble & with no thought to how those living in remote areas are supposed to get around. I guess p*** off & die is their answer to that.
Odders
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Hoof burner
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Im all for returning back to horse and carts if I can put the price of a set of shoes up 500%!!
