Emberleaf Cael vs Ventari

So, if. Understand this correctly.....there is £20/hour wages as well as profit on top.

How many other ways can one stick the buyer? ’Admin costs’, ‘Sourcing fee’ etc etc
So why would you have a company with all of the agg that goes with it and just pay wages???? Might as well work from someone else and not have the agg. If everyone just worked for wages then there would be no corporation tax collect no dividends paid no bonuses paid no hidden costs paid.

Wake up please
 
I fully understand that some folks like to take a expensive blade out for field work. Yes you can buy cheaper and get the job done for 15 quid. I do..... However. I assume most people are involved in field sports for pleasure so why not enhance the experience further with a fine knife. The unavoidable truth is if I had the cash to drop on a high end field knife, I would!
 
Ok normally would not wade into this but feel the speculation should be put to bed. Aside of whether people like the product or not as I am fully aware you will never keep everyone happy although we do try! However, I can honestly tell you that these numbers are remarkably close to the mark.


Consumable costs are the thing missing here, we use the best abrasive belts, foils, and polishing compounds available to name but a few consumables. For example, our custom-made heat treat foil alone is £6 a packet (per knife) used only once. Some of the belts are £20 each and will do 8-10 knives then go in the bin. Menzerna polishing compound is £30 a bar and will do 10-14 knives dependant on steel type, and that is just one polishing stage of 3. We mirror polish a lot of our knives and all the initial work is done by hand, 2 hours of the total build time, a further 45 mins on a polishing wheel. Even shipping a knife through a secure courier is £8 not to mention the £10 worth of custom packaging and the £15 a square foot leather we use to sheath it, these are just some of the costs to consider.

There are multiple videos of us working in the shop and if you still do not believe it you are more than welcome to visit, and I will give you a detailed tour. As a limited company our accounts are a matter of public record so also feel free to look us up on companies’ house.

We started Emberleaf because it is what we wanted to do with our lives, we will never be rich men but we endeavour to be happy ones doing a profession that started as a hobby making the best possible tools we are able, Money has never been a big part of our lives, we wouldn’t have spent 10 years in the Army if it were wealth we were after! More often than not we spend money on more tools to make new and better products or mainly because it looks interesting or fun!

For the record, until Feb this year we used no computer aided tools, we invested in a laser engraver (I am of the opinion that it’s the best solution for marking steel to avoid stresses in the metals and offers a better finish) anyway this is the only piece of kit that has any computer functions and it only engraves the logos. Someone mentioned that we use a pantograph to cut out handles... well a pantograph is used for engraving or for scaling images, we bought it to make folding knives as they require a high degree of accuracy to mark out the part.... its 50 years old and we are yet to even plug it in.

Yes we do supply to the trade to a number of well known gun brands as well as a few private dealers, Last year we made 623 knives, 90 of which were the Ray Mear Bushcraft knife, a further 163 were to the trade, these trade accounts enable us to make in much larger batches and they are mostly all the same models/materials but also allow us to work in longer time frames.

We are not some evil faceless corporation out to squeeze pennies from unwary buyers. No smoke and mirrors if you want to know something about Emberleaf Workshops then please just ask, or arrange a day and pop down for a brew.

Best Regards to you all.

Dean - Bladesmith Emberleaf Workshops
Well said Dean! Nobody is forcing anybody to buy anything. Emberleaf cost what they cost..... Take it or leave it!
 
What knives would you recommend?
I bought an alan wood designed casstrom safari knife off the BDS website and it was superb on muntjac. SO sharp and retained edge. Very sadly misplaced.

I use a lot of hultafors and moras especially with a grippy grip. You need to sharpen them more but they are workhorses.

also have an eka swingblade - useful for skinning,taking legs off and initially gutting. Far too wide for decoring anus properly. I wouldnt buy another.

Get yourself a mora roeing knife instead. Superb.

you just dont need a large blade. Get a medium width one that you control properly with your hand size.
 
10.JPG7.JPG10.JPG7.JPGAs I said before if you contact Stuart Mitchell you can design the knife you would like. This is the one he made for me. Made to be used no lanyard hole just a place for blood and snot to collect. Bright orange hopefully so I didn't lose it. Kydex sheath. Has been use on all six UK deer. only down side need to make sure tip is sharp for muntjac A /holes.
 
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Ok normally would not wade into this but feel the speculation should be put to bed. Aside of whether people like the product or not as I am fully aware you will never keep everyone happy although we do try! However, I can honestly tell you that these numbers are remarkably close to the mark.


Consumable costs are the thing missing here, we use the best abrasive belts, foils, and polishing compounds available to name but a few consumables. For example, our custom-made heat treat foil alone is £6 a packet (per knife) used only once. Some of the belts are £20 each and will do 8-10 knives then go in the bin. Menzerna polishing compound is £30 a bar and will do 10-14 knives dependant on steel type, and that is just one polishing stage of 3. We mirror polish a lot of our knives and all the initial work is done by hand, 2 hours of the total build time, a further 45 mins on a polishing wheel. Even shipping a knife through a secure courier is £8 not to mention the £10 worth of custom packaging and the £15 a square foot leather we use to sheath it, these are just some of the costs to consider.

There are multiple videos of us working in the shop and if you still do not believe it you are more than welcome to visit, and I will give you a detailed tour. As a limited company our accounts are a matter of public record so also feel free to look us up on companies’ house.

We started Emberleaf because it is what we wanted to do with our lives, we will never be rich men but we endeavour to be happy ones doing a profession that started as a hobby making the best possible tools we are able, Money has never been a big part of our lives, we wouldn’t have spent 10 years in the Army if it were wealth we were after! More often than not we spend money on more tools to make new and better products or mainly because it looks interesting or fun!

For the record, until Feb this year we used no computer aided tools, we invested in a laser engraver (I am of the opinion that it’s the best solution for marking steel to avoid stresses in the metals and offers a better finish) anyway this is the only piece of kit that has any computer functions and it only engraves the logos. Someone mentioned that we use a pantograph to cut out handles... well a pantograph is used for engraving or for scaling images, we bought it to make folding knives as they require a high degree of accuracy to mark out the part.... its 50 years old and we are yet to even plug it in.

Yes we do supply to the trade to a number of well known gun brands as well as a few private dealers, Last year we made 623 knives, 90 of which were the Ray Mear Bushcraft knife, a further 163 were to the trade, these trade accounts enable us to make in much larger batches and they are mostly all the same models/materials but also allow us to work in longer time frames.

We are not some evil faceless corporation out to squeeze pennies from unwary buyers. No smoke and mirrors if you want to know something about Emberleaf Workshops then please just ask, or arrange a day and pop down for a brew.

Best Regards to you all.

Dean - Bladesmith Emberleaf Workshops
So there you have it horses mouth. Couldn’t say it any better really. Well done dean. Truth is there very good knives. Any better than other makers? not sure I can’t comment as I’ve not used other makers stuff that often. However what is obvious is the other makers Alan Wood, stuart Mitchell , Alan at dannum and so on is there products are roughly the same money. Alan wood certainly sells to the trade. These chaps make great products and are very good and clever at what they do all of them. So why not charge for the privilege? If you don’t like it don’t buy it simple. If you can afford it great get what makes you happy great

Dean I’ll be seeing you soon to collect another knife mate.

Cheers Steve
 
Ok normally would not wade into this but feel the speculation should be put to bed. Aside of whether people like the product or not as I am fully aware you will never keep everyone happy although we do try! However, I can honestly tell you that these numbers are remarkably close to the mark.


Consumable costs are the thing missing here, we use the best abrasive belts, foils, and polishing compounds available to name but a few consumables. For example, our custom-made heat treat foil alone is £6 a packet (per knife) used only once. Some of the belts are £20 each and will do 8-10 knives then go in the bin. Menzerna polishing compound is £30 a bar and will do 10-14 knives dependant on steel type, and that is just one polishing stage of 3. We mirror polish a lot of our knives and all the initial work is done by hand, 2 hours of the total build time, a further 45 mins on a polishing wheel. Even shipping a knife through a secure courier is £8 not to mention the £10 worth of custom packaging and the £15 a square foot leather we use to sheath it, these are just some of the costs to consider.

There are multiple videos of us working in the shop and if you still do not believe it you are more than welcome to visit, and I will give you a detailed tour. As a limited company our accounts are a matter of public record so also feel free to look us up on companies’ house.

We started Emberleaf because it is what we wanted to do with our lives, we will never be rich men but we endeavour to be happy ones doing a profession that started as a hobby making the best possible tools we are able, Money has never been a big part of our lives, we wouldn’t have spent 10 years in the Army if it were wealth we were after! More often than not we spend money on more tools to make new and better products or mainly because it looks interesting or fun!

For the record, until Feb this year we used no computer aided tools, we invested in a laser engraver (I am of the opinion that it’s the best solution for marking steel to avoid stresses in the metals and offers a better finish) anyway this is the only piece of kit that has any computer functions and it only engraves the logos. Someone mentioned that we use a pantograph to cut out handles... well a pantograph is used for engraving or for scaling images, we bought it to make folding knives as they require a high degree of accuracy to mark out the part.... its 50 years old and we are yet to even plug it in.

Yes we do supply to the trade to a number of well known gun brands as well as a few private dealers, Last year we made 623 knives, 90 of which were the Ray Mear Bushcraft knife, a further 163 were to the trade, these trade accounts enable us to make in much larger batches and they are mostly all the same models/materials but also allow us to work in longer time frames.

We are not some evil faceless corporation out to squeeze pennies from unwary buyers. No smoke and mirrors if you want to know something about Emberleaf Workshops then please just ask, or arrange a day and pop down for a brew.

Best Regards to you all.

Dean - Bladesmith Emberleaf Workshops

Hi Dean For years now, you continue to provide well made knives, my friend purchased a deer stalking blade from you when you first started a few years ago now, it’s was at a little game fair and you had a army tent as a shop, that knife is still going and still razor sharp, since then the blades you now make have opened up exceptional knife design and quality,
good luck to you and your successful company, you’ve earned it.
all the best
phil
 
Ok normally would not wade into this but feel the speculation should be put to bed. Aside of whether people like the product or not as I am fully aware you will never keep everyone happy although we do try! However, I can honestly tell you that these numbers are remarkably close to the mark.


Consumable costs are the thing missing here, we use the best abrasive belts, foils, and polishing compounds available to name but a few consumables. For example, our custom-made heat treat foil alone is £6 a packet (per knife) used only once. Some of the belts are £20 each and will do 8-10 knives then go in the bin. Menzerna polishing compound is £30 a bar and will do 10-14 knives dependant on steel type, and that is just one polishing stage of 3. We mirror polish a lot of our knives and all the initial work is done by hand, 2 hours of the total build time, a further 45 mins on a polishing wheel. Even shipping a knife through a secure courier is £8 not to mention the £10 worth of custom packaging and the £15 a square foot leather we use to sheath it, these are just some of the costs to consider.

There are multiple videos of us working in the shop and if you still do not believe it you are more than welcome to visit, and I will give you a detailed tour. As a limited company our accounts are a matter of public record so also feel free to look us up on companies’ house.

We started Emberleaf because it is what we wanted to do with our lives, we will never be rich men but we endeavour to be happy ones doing a profession that started as a hobby making the best possible tools we are able, Money has never been a big part of our lives, we wouldn’t have spent 10 years in the Army if it were wealth we were after! More often than not we spend money on more tools to make new and better products or mainly because it looks interesting or fun!

For the record, until Feb this year we used no computer aided tools, we invested in a laser engraver (I am of the opinion that it’s the best solution for marking steel to avoid stresses in the metals and offers a better finish) anyway this is the only piece of kit that has any computer functions and it only engraves the logos. Someone mentioned that we use a pantograph to cut out handles... well a pantograph is used for engraving or for scaling images, we bought it to make folding knives as they require a high degree of accuracy to mark out the part.... its 50 years old and we are yet to even plug it in.

Yes we do supply to the trade to a number of well known gun brands as well as a few private dealers, Last year we made 623 knives, 90 of which were the Ray Mear Bushcraft knife, a further 163 were to the trade, these trade accounts enable us to make in much larger batches and they are mostly all the same models/materials but also allow us to work in longer time frames.

We are not some evil faceless corporation out to squeeze pennies from unwary buyers. No smoke and mirrors if you want to know something about Emberleaf Workshops then please just ask, or arrange a day and pop down for a brew.

Best Regards to you all.

Dean - Bladesmith Emberleaf Workshops
Well said, look forward to seeing you on Saturday and having a look in the workshop
 
Have said it elsewhere.

I bought an Emberleaf knife in 2016 as a gift to myself.

It lives in my study, in the gun cabinet, in it's box, in it's red bag, in it's leather sheath.
Twice a year I take it out and place in reverently on my study desk. I look at it's mammoth handle and it's damascus blade and offer up a silent prayer to the Knife Gods who made it.

Then back she goes.

What's it like in the field?

No idea - but then I would not drag any other piece of art I owned into a field and cover that in gore either.
 
Have said it elsewhere.

I bought an Emberleaf knife in 2016 as a gift to myself.

It lives in my study, in the gun cabinet, in it's box, in it's red bag, in it's leather sheath.
Twice a year I take it out and place in reverently on my study desk. I look at it's mammoth handle and it's damascus blade and offer up a silent prayer to the Knife Gods who made it.

Then back she goes.

What's it like in the field?

No idea - but then I would not drag any other piece of art I owned into a field and cover that in gore either.


Use it - that's what it was made for :tiphat: - it sound like a cracking blade - send us a pic
 
Have said it elsewhere.

I bought an Emberleaf knife in 2016 as a gift to myself.

It lives in my study, in the gun cabinet, in it's box, in it's red bag, in it's leather sheath.
Twice a year I take it out and place in reverently on my study desk. I look at it's mammoth handle and it's damascus blade and offer up a silent prayer to the Knife Gods who made it.

Then back she goes.

What's it like in the field?

No idea - but then I would not drag any other piece of art I owned into a field and cover that in gore either.

It’s nice you hold it in such high esteem, but please, if your just storing it, don’t store it inside it’s sheath! The tannins in the leather over time will react to the steel and possibly the Ivory too. It happened to a knife of mine.
 
I was on the waiting list for an Alan Wood RM Woodlore. Waited about 8 years only to get to number 26 on the waiting list (as advised by woodlore) and be told in Jan 18 that Alan had decided to end his contract with them. Whilst I understand the monotony of him having to build the same knife every day for ten years or so, there is also the obligation to follow through with the commitment he made. As a result, one customer lost for good, regardless of how good I believe his knives are.
they are good very good
 

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Have said it elsewhere.

I bought an Emberleaf knife in 2016 as a gift to myself.

It lives in my study, in the gun cabinet, in it's box, in it's red bag, in it's leather sheath.
Twice a year I take it out and place in reverently on my study desk. I look at it's mammoth handle and it's damascus blade and offer up a silent prayer to the Knife Gods who made it.

Then back she goes.

What's it like in the field?

No idea - but then I would not drag any other piece of art I owned into a field and cover that in gore either.
I said that i would never have an expensive knife. Had a bad do in hospital back in November pneumonia and sepsis lucky to be here. Came out of hospital and treated myself to an Emberleaf Cael ARv2 knife good quality and expertly made. Life is too short!!! 🦌
 
I said that i would never have an expensive knife. Had a bad do in hospital back in November pneumonia and sepsis lucky to be here. Came out of hospital and treated myself to an Emberleaf Cael ARv2 knife good quality and expertly made. Life is too short!!! 🦌

Well that beats my lame and selfish excuse.
Well done and glad you made it through.
 
Ok normally would not wade into this but feel the speculation should be put to bed. Aside of whether people like the product or not as I am fully aware you will never keep everyone happy although we do try! However, I can honestly tell you that these numbers are remarkably close to the mark.


Consumable costs are the thing missing here, we use the best abrasive belts, foils, and polishing compounds available to name but a few consumables. For example, our custom-made heat treat foil alone is £6 a packet (per knife) used only once. Some of the belts are £20 each and will do 8-10 knives then go in the bin. Menzerna polishing compound is £30 a bar and will do 10-14 knives dependant on steel type, and that is just one polishing stage of 3. We mirror polish a lot of our knives and all the initial work is done by hand, 2 hours of the total build time, a further 45 mins on a polishing wheel. Even shipping a knife through a secure courier is £8 not to mention the £10 worth of custom packaging and the £15 a square foot leather we use to sheath it, these are just some of the costs to consider.

There are multiple videos of us working in the shop and if you still do not believe it you are more than welcome to visit, and I will give you a detailed tour. As a limited company our accounts are a matter of public record so also feel free to look us up on companies’ house.

We started Emberleaf because it is what we wanted to do with our lives, we will never be rich men but we endeavour to be happy ones doing a profession that started as a hobby making the best possible tools we are able, Money has never been a big part of our lives, we wouldn’t have spent 10 years in the Army if it were wealth we were after! More often than not we spend money on more tools to make new and better products or mainly because it looks interesting or fun!

For the record, until Feb this year we used no computer aided tools, we invested in a laser engraver (I am of the opinion that it’s the best solution for marking steel to avoid stresses in the metals and offers a better finish) anyway this is the only piece of kit that has any computer functions and it only engraves the logos. Someone mentioned that we use a pantograph to cut out handles... well a pantograph is used for engraving or for scaling images, we bought it to make folding knives as they require a high degree of accuracy to mark out the part.... its 50 years old and we are yet to even plug it in.

Yes we do supply to the trade to a number of well known gun brands as well as a few private dealers, Last year we made 623 knives, 90 of which were the Ray Mear Bushcraft knife, a further 163 were to the trade, these trade accounts enable us to make in much larger batches and they are mostly all the same models/materials but also allow us to work in longer time frames.

We are not some evil faceless corporation out to squeeze pennies from unwary buyers. No smoke and mirrors if you want to know something about Emberleaf Workshops then please just ask, or arrange a day and pop down for a brew.

Best Regards to you all.

Dean - Bladesmith Emberleaf Workshops
I was lead to believe the knife blanks are cut with a laser, bet there is a computer involved with this process
 
I have one or two knives :rolleyes: One is a hand made knife by a famous Finnish knife maker. I have use it twice and then put it back in its wooden box. I have had plenty of good knives and the only problem is loosing them.

One can argue all day long about emberleef or any other expensive knife, but a cheap knife does the same job, and you wont burst into tears if you loose it either. I have to smile slightly when we have a host of people who have been stalking not that long, and yet they seem to think that having a £500 knife makes it right.

I am not knocking anyone who wants to own one or does own one. But please dont tell me that when you are gralloching a beast that it makes any difference whether you have a £10 plastic handled knife or a £500 one, because it makes NO difference what so ever. But each to their own and if it makes you feel better so be it.

Also it hurts just as much when you cut yourself with a cheap knife or an expensive one :lol:
 
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