Emberleaf Cael vs Ventari

[JEH]

Would be grateful to hear from anyone who has looked at purchasing/or has purchased either the Emberleaf Cael or Ventari? Struggling to decide between the two, will be for roe, fallow and muntjac. Cheers.

 

[deerstalker.308]

All I’ll say on the matter is having owned both a cael and Garron, there are better blades out there for a lot less money.
Tin hat on and awaiting the incoming barrage but they have become a must have designer accessory in my opinion, knives are tools, they get used and abused, a good quality “handmade” knife can be easily sourced for well under half the money of these and will do as good a job if not better.

 

[paultap]

I can't really comment on how good either of these knives are, but I paid a visit to the Emberleaf stand at the UK shooting show and was staggered by how high the prices were!

I thought they must have invented a pocket sized light sabre!

 

[Sika98k]

There is a man in Croatia, Željko Žedo, who makes knifes. The price is very very reasonable, ballpark figure is €135. There is a long waiting list, be warned. You can find him on Facebook.
he will either make you a knife from his stock designs or to your own design.

 

[annandale]

Would be grateful to hear from anyone who has looked at purchasing/or has purchased either the Emberleaf Cael or Ventari? Struggling to decide between the two, will be for roe, fallow and muntjac. Cheers.

What knife do recommend? Im looking to purchase one

 

[JEH]

All I’ll say on the matter is having owned both a cael and Garron, there are better blades out there for a lot less money.
Tin hat on and awaiting the incoming barrage but they have become a must have designer accessory in my opinion, knives are tools, they get used and abused, a good quality “handmade” knife can be easily sourced for well under half the money of these and will do as good a job if not better.

What knives would you recommend?

 

[sh1kar]

Alan Wood. Stuart Mitchell. Harry Boden (2nd hand as now dead) Danum

 

[delta wolf]

Would be grateful to hear from anyone who has looked at purchasing/or has purchased either the Emberleaf Cael or Ventari? Struggling to decide between the two, will be for roe, fallow and muntjac. Cheers.

I've had a cael for a couple of years. Absolutely love it. Does everything you ask on the deer you mention. Yes you could do it with a cheaper knife but I enjoy it as the work of art it is as well as what it does.
Why drive a lada if you can afford and enjoy a Bentley! Both do the same job!

 

[deerstalker.308]

What knives would you recommend?

That entirely depends on your personal preference and circumstances.
I don’t have just one knife, I really rate Puma knives, good quality and solid, and at a sensible price, still not “cheap” by any stretch but much more affordable.
A lot depends on species and purpose, I like a big knife for reds, decent length if ever the need arises to stick one in the chest, 5-6 inches is more use that smaller blades. For reds I have a “Puma Elkstag”.
I have smaller knives for roe and munties..... a lot comes down to individual needs, I found the shape of the Emberleaf cael lovely for munty and roe, but having the first one chip when working through the cartilage on the ribcage of a roe buck, it was unceremoniously returned. The Garron that replaced it was fine but I just couldn’t see the point in it when others could do the job just as well for a lot less....

 

[Uncle f]

Well. I’ve got two Caels, a garron, Artemis and now a ventari. The ventari comes out more often than not. For £500 for the knife let’s look at the maths.
Dean at Emberleaf has told me that on a standard (not special handle etc) Cael,garron ventari etc there is approx £130 worth or materials to include blade, rivets, sheath material leather/kydex. Then it’s about 10-12 hours work start to finish. Let’s say labour cost of £20.00 per hour that £200 labour add the materials £130 then it’s £330.00

Sold to the end user at £500 including the 20%vat

That makes it about £410.00 ish minus the £330 cost that’s £90.00 profit which will pay for rent, business rates, trade stands at shows when there on!!!! Not a busting load is it for a skilled job.

I can assure all that there all hand made and produced. Two ex army lads who work 6 days a week and are now reaping what they have sowed for the past 8-9 years.

Alan Wood, guy stainthorp etc knives are all around the same price with stuart Mitchel being a touch dearer for some

Danum blades stuff approx £450. So for a great product I don’t think it’s a lot of money really. It’s certainly not any kind of rip off.
There are others just as good I’m sure but around the same money. Whatever Knife you choose the Emberleaf’s are great knives. Equally so Alan woods, Danum bladed etc. Good luck in your choice

 

[deerstalker.308]

I really like the look of this blade shape for most species, looks brilliant for back end work and long enough for sticking off needs too.... not handled one but they look brilliant

For Sale: - Limulus fireblade knives

I’ve three for sale. £215 each delivered to standard uk postcodes (bit extra for those living in out of the way nice places) Tony

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

 

[deerstalker.308]

Well. I’ve got two Caels, a garron, Artemis and now a ventari. The ventari comes out more often than not. For £500 for the knife let’s look at the maths.
Dean at Emberleaf has told me that on a standard (not special handle etc) Cael,garron ventari etc there is approx £130 worth or materials to include blade, rivets, sheath material leather/kydex. Then it’s about 10-12 hours work start to finish. Let’s say labour cost of £20.00 per hour that £200 labour add the materials £130 then it’s £330.00

Sold to the end user at £500 including the 20%vat

That makes it about £410.00 ish minus the £330 cost that’s £90.00 profit which will pay for rent, business rates, trade stands at shows when there on!!!! Not a busting load is it for a skilled job.

I can assure all that there all hand made and produced. Two ex army lads who work 6 days a week and are now reaping what they have sowed for the past 8-9 years.

Alan Wood, guy stainthorp etc knives are all around the same price with stuart Mitchel being a touch dearer for some

Danum blades stuff approx £450. So for a great product I don’t think it’s a lot of money really. It’s certainly not any kind of rip off.
There are others just as good I’m sure but around the same money. Whatever Knife you choose the Emberleaf’s are great knives. Equally so Alan woods, Danum bladed etc. Good luck in your choice

Knew you’d take the bait sooner or later!

 

[Lateral]

Well. I’ve got two Caels, a garron, Artemis and now a ventari. The ventari comes out more often than not. For £500 for the knife let’s look at the maths.
Dean at Emberleaf has told me that on a standard (not special handle etc) Cael,garron ventari etc there is approx £130 worth or materials to include blade, rivets, sheath material leather/kydex. Then it’s about 10-12 hours work start to finish. Let’s say labour cost of £20.00 per hour that £200 labour add the materials £130 then it’s £330.00

Sold to the end user at £500 including the 20%vat

That makes it about £410.00 ish minus the £330 cost that’s £90.00 profit which will pay for rent, business rates, trade stands at shows when there on!!!! Not a busting load is it for a skilled job.

I can assure all that there all hand made and produced. Two ex army lads who work 6 days a week and are now reaping what they have sowed for the past 8-9 years.

Alan Wood, guy stainthorp etc knives are all around the same price with stuart Mitchel being a touch dearer for some

Danum blades stuff approx £450. So for a great product I don’t think it’s a lot of money really. It’s certainly not any kind of rip off.
There are others just as good I’m sure but around the same money. Whatever Knife you choose the Emberleaf’s are great knives. Equally so Alan woods, Danum bladed etc. Good luck in your choice

Sorry, the numbers are rubbish. I like the knives, but they ARE grossly over priced, for what you get.

The knives start as a laser, or water jet (not certain which) cut blank, close to finished size.

I am lead to believe that even the handles are now made using a pantograph machine. So much for hand made knives !

I still have a Garron, and it's ok, certainly nothing special, and certainly not worth the retail price. In my opinion, of course !

 

[Uncle f]

Yep your opinion no problem. But all handles are hand done I even watched em do two of mine

 

[Lateral]

Yep your opinion no problem. But all handles are hand done I even watched em do two of mine

I have visited the factory several times. I have bought 4 knives, of which I sold 3.

Emberleaf sell a lot of knives through the trade, just what sort of discount do you think they offer them, "IF" there is only £90.00 profit in the knives ?

When were you last there ?

 

[JEH]

Well. I’ve got two Caels, a garron, Artemis and now a ventari. The ventari comes out more often than not. For £500 for the knife let’s look at the maths.
Dean at Emberleaf has told me that on a standard (not special handle etc) Cael,garron ventari etc there is approx £130 worth or materials to include blade, rivets, sheath material leather/kydex. Then it’s about 10-12 hours work start to finish. Let’s say labour cost of £20.00 per hour that £200 labour add the materials £130 then it’s £330.00

Sold to the end user at £500 including the 20%vat

That makes it about £410.00 ish minus the £330 cost that’s £90.00 profit which will pay for rent, business rates, trade stands at shows when there on!!!! Not a busting load is it for a skilled job.

I can assure all that there all hand made and produced. Two ex army lads who work 6 days a week and are now reaping what they have sowed for the past 8-9 years.

Alan Wood, guy stainthorp etc knives are all around the same price with stuart Mitchel being a touch dearer for some

Danum blades stuff approx £450. So for a great product I don’t think it’s a lot of money really. It’s certainly not any kind of rip off.
There are others just as good I’m sure but around the same money. Whatever Knife you choose the Emberleaf’s are great knives. Equally so Alan woods, Danum bladed etc. Good luck in your choice

Thanks for replying. Sounds like your preference is the Ventari?

 

[BigPat]

I have a cael and I have to say it has served me very well, albeit I find the blade shape a little awkward when working inside smaller deer. But I can’t fault the quality of workmanship or materials and I have no complaints about the price.

I also have a Danum Ghillie XL which I bought for those bigger beasts and as a bushcraft knife. It is one serious blade and equally well made and again I’m very happy with it.

On balance I think Danum knives are the best value for money and with the added bonus that Alan is very happy to build one-off pieces without charging silly money. I have a pair (knife and zipper) being built at the moment and having spoken to Alan throughout the design process I have no doubt they will be a very special.

 

[terrier1]

Would be grateful to hear from anyone who has looked at purchasing/or has purchased either the Emberleaf Cael or Ventari? Struggling to decide between the two, will be for roe, fallow and muntjac. Cheers.

Or you could contact Stuart Mitchell (Sheffield) and have a knife handmade to your spec not that far from you and it would be handmade for you.

 

[the scudd]

i,m surprised no one mentioned peter eaton

 

[Bigron321]

That entirely depends on your personal preference and circumstances.
I don’t have just one knife, I really rate Puma knives, good quality and solid, and at a sensible price, still not “cheap” by any stretch but much more affordable.
A lot depends on species and purpose, I like a big knife for reds, decent length if ever the need arises to stick one in the chest, 5-6 inches is more use that smaller blades. For reds I have a “Puma Elkstag”.
I have smaller knives for roe and munties..... a lot comes down to individual needs, I found the shape of the Emberleaf cael lovely for munty and roe, but having the first one chip when working through the cartilage on the ribcage of a roe buck, it was unceremoniously returned. The Garron that replaced it was fine but I just couldn’t see the point in it when others could do the job just as well for a lot less....

So that’s why you flogged it