Extraction and access or just old and knackered - can't justify 4WD?

IanF

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Folks,

When I started my stalking career, I could not justify costs of a 4WD but needed to access my grounds, and soon got tired of dragging ever larger beasts up steep hills.

There must be many in my situation, perhaps urban based, perhaps just getting on in years and having difficulty following the gun-line on a shoot day.

For fifteen years, my life saver has been my 'wheel-barrow' - have a look, it may work for you!

I got hold of a little youths quad bike by Yamaha. Simplicity itself, a reliable 4 stroke engine and automatic gears - all three of them. Forward, neutral and reverse! A fabricator provided sturdy racks and built in a removable shooting rail. Rifle/gun holders were mounted on the handle bars and the whole beast moved around on a cheap Halfords style trailer. The trailer is lightweight and a tow hitch on the quad means it will even tow its own transport.

The 'wheel-barrow' is NOT a full sized quad and thus has some limitations - firstly, style. You look like an elephant riding a skate-board! Secondly, load capacity. I weigh up to 16 stone and have carried a couple Red hinds on the racks - but that was asking a bit much of the bike as it only has a 125cc motor.

A light-weight sledge is now used when out for Reds, and the heaviest stag now comes out as though it was on ball-bearings. Sika, Fallow and Roe are simply not even noticed and the bike will comfortably proceed up a 45 degree slope with a couple Does or Fallow bucks on the racks. Simply, it has proved to be massively more capable than I ever anticipated. Being able to arrive at a shoot, drop the tailgate and then drive to your peg or high-seat - secure in the knowledge that at the end of the day, you will be back to the vehicle without strain or pain....excellent.

It is smaller than a full size quad and much, much lighter. If you were ever to get bogged, then simply lift the back end out of the ruts, same with the front and then carry on once more. On its trailer, it is easily handled by one man and the whole lot is wheeled into a single garage for storage - until the next excursion.

So, an option that lets you get around a shoot, cheaply (no tax, MOT or insurance) quietly and quickly. An option that is easily stored, holds its value and most importantly, lets you enjoy your stalking or shooting, irrespective of terrain or fitness!

There are many cheap Chinese quads on the secondhand market - for good reason. They break! I would suggest that reliability is far more important than a minor saving in costs - so stick to quality Japanese bikes and you are less likely to be stuck with the problem of getting parts for repair or maintenance.

Cheers,

Ian
 

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Looks fun Ian. How is it all going down in deepest darkest west country. I am "looking forward" to our shoot's let days when we sell driven snipe and woodcock shooting and I get to beat round the bogs for a the whole day and then get up and do it again the next. Still it helps pay the bills and at least I can still do it! Dunno for how much longer. Will your little bike wade in a metre of water? If so I might be down and steal it.

David.
 
"You look like an elephant riding a skate-board!" this thread is nothing without pictures..... please ..... as you have piqued my interest.

I know a fella who uses a series landrover to get about to the peg etc, it does him pretty well.
 
Nicely worked out solution to the extraction problem Ian. Lighter has to be better and as you say the ability to lift either end of a quad out of ruts or a hole means you will probably never be stuck.
However I do want a photo of you driving up a 45 degree slope; 45 is really serious stuff. 2 weeks ago I lost an alpine tractor down a slope that I would put at 40 degrees. Well when I say I lost it that's not true, I knew exactly where it was because I was still on top of it fending off branches as it shot down the hill until it hit a tree big enough to stop it. The impact threw me about 5 yards and as I was aware that the tractor was being tipped over as it rode up the trunk I kept on rolling for several more yards. Fortunately it didn't roll but stayed on the tree.
Very embarrassing and a reasonable amount of damage to the tractor, which won't mend itself like my minor injuries will.
On the topic of slopes, why is it almost impossible to take a photo that does justice to the steepness of ground?
 
Nicely worked out solution to the extraction problem Ian. Lighter has to be better and as you say the ability to lift either end of a quad out of ruts or a hole means you will probably never be stuck.
However I do want a photo of you driving up a 45 degree slope; 45 is really serious stuff. 2 weeks ago I lost an alpine tractor down a slope that I would put at 40 degrees. Well when I say I lost it that's not true, I knew exactly where it was because I was still on top of it fending off branches as it shot down the hill until it hit a tree big enough to stop it. The impact threw me about 5 yards and as I was aware that the tractor was being tipped over as it rode up the trunk I kept on rolling for several more yards. Fortunately it didn't roll but stayed on the tree.
Very embarrassing and a reasonable amount of damage to the tractor, which won't mend itself like my minor injuries will.
On the topic of slopes, why is it almost impossible to take a photo that does justice to the steepness of ground?

formula off road Iceland.. "gravity defying"

just rope that stag on and away you go...;)
 
Mr Stag! Great to hear from you, hoping all is well and your back garden is getting a bit noisy about now! :)

I did have this great phot of me ascending a 45° degree slope..... strangely it did not do justice to the steepness of the slope.... made it look like 40°!

There are a few other (bigger) quads in the toy-shed nowadays, but that little 'wheelbarrow' still makes light work of bringing most carcasses out of the field.

Speak soon,
 
Not to hijack the thread but Buckbones off here had a mot failure Isuzu so chopped it up .2 seats at the front and the back cut away totally and replaced with a wood platform to hold Red,s.Cheaps as chips sorry no pictures but plenty of M.OT fails out there and what 2 sheets of marine ply = 4x4 all terrain mature stalker,s load carrier like a model A ford pickup but more versatile
 
IanF,
Some excellent ideas there for those of us getting (Got in my case) past our best as regards mobility.
Regards,Ken.
PS. Like the Oxymoron.
 
could have done with that three weeks ago,absolutly knackered having walked about two miles and then like a fool shooting summat at other end :doh:,no access for my little banger so had to half drag /carry it out.along with a set of broken sticks,ps knackered alltogether without these(limulus) binos rifle etc.suffice to say i came home early.but freezers full again.;)
 
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I had a friend that butchered a heavy duty rototiller when the rear tine assembly went bad. He fashioned some kind of skidder/sled assembly for dragging elk. I never saw it in use, and he said it was slow -but powerful- saying he could wrap bull elk and drag it up hill. It was also narrow enough to make it between trees and down narrow trails. I think of that contraption from time to time.~Muir

But then, I've got one of these.
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They look similar, indeed. And a diesel no less.

The Rokon is a petrol model. Only 208cc displacement but it has a hella gear box. The Rokon has been made in the US for over 50 years and started with a Chrysler two stroke motor and a solid suspension. The wheel rims are hollow tanks in which you can store fuel or water. When empty, you can flip the bike on its side and use it for a raft. The big draw, and difference between this and other domestic off road bikes, is that is has a very powerful and time-proven front wheel drive gearbox, making it a two wheel drive. Not cheap unit ($7.5 K. US) but as solid as a rock.~Muir
 
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