FAC carrying criteria

[willie_gunn]

I bought similar leather covers for my FAC/SGC/PBC and my wife's SGC.

Fitted all them all perfectly.

The next year my Force, for some inexplicable reason, changed the A4 format to A5 format, and so now nothing fits.

Bastards.


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Would you entertain the notion that your Force is actively monitoring your Amazon purchases? Once they saw you click on "Buy Now" they kicked off the process to change the format.

Of course you may think this is some crazy conspiracy theory on my part, but if you want to be sure just go ahead and buy an A5 leather wallet - if you're next ticket comes through and is A3 size, you'll know I was right.

You can thank me later

 

[malmick]

And your regular partner? Your explanation of your need?

Well, you know, when you reach a certain age there can be varied good reasons.
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Or not

 

[SimpleSimon]

Would you entertain the notion that your Force is actively monitoring your Amazon purchases? Once they saw you click on "Buy Now" they kicked off the process to change the format.

Of course you may think this is some crazy conspiracy theory on my part, but if you want to be sure just go ahead and buy an A5 leather wallet - if you're next ticket comes through and is A3 size, you'll know I was right.

You can thank me later

Makes about as much sense as some of the other licensing-based myths that get bounced about on here from time to time

 

[Greenmist]

Thanks, so do I, was just wondering what the actual law states. I can’t seem to find it…

Along the lines of "must produce when asked", this was however drafted before the police data base and pnc checks and the ability to have a zoomable photo on a mobile phone or even photo copy, actually drafted back in the dark ages where they prefer to keep firearms licensing

 

[gixer1]

Not meaning to start a bashing thread..But one of the only useful things to come out of my previous membership with BASC were the certificate wallets…

In the first photo I’m identifying as black by the way….

 

[HonestJohn]

No need to bring it, just keep pictures on your phone - they’ll check on their records quickly anyway, but having a digital record will satisfy most reasonable rural coppers

 

[merlin]

I bought similar leather covers for my FAC/SGC/PBC and my wife's SGC.

Fitted all them all perfectly.

The next year my Force, for some inexplicable reason, changed the A4 format to A5 format, and so now nothing fits.

Bastards.


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Possible explanation for the inexplicable?

It could be to save paper.

Saving the planet, one FAC at a time.......

 

[johndeere]

Not meaning to start a bashing thread..But one of the only useful things to come out of my previous membership with BASC were the certificate wallets…

In the first photo I’m identifying as black by the way….

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i have a shirt just like that

 

[Tim.243]

i have a shirt just like that

Rupert Bear had trousers like it as well...

 

[johndeere]

Rupert Bear had trousers like it as well...

just the shirt and jumper

 

[gixer1]

i have a shirt just like that

Black?

 

[johndeere]

more greenish i thought

 

[Tim.243]

No need to bring it, just keep pictures on your phone - they’ll check on their records quickly anyway, but having a digital record will satisfy most reasonable rural coppers

There is no water mark on a phone copy.....lots of fake people around let alone a picture on a screen....

 

[Dunwaters]

He really isn't. He may produce it or not. He can't be 'required' to produce it, because he might not actually hold one: and even if he does, there is no 'requirement' in law for him to have it with him to produce it. In any case, he would be lawfully entitled not to produce it even if he did have it with him.

correct , there is no legal obligation to carry your cert and you will not face a charge for failure to do so.

You are correct, not having the certificate in your possession is not an offence.
Unless you are in possession of a firearm without one, which is a whole different matter.
But should you fail to produce a certificate on demand, the officer MAY require that you surrender your firearm if they so choose.
So while no crime is committed by not carrying a certificate, provided that you have one, there may be consequences if you fail to produce one on demand with a firearm in your possession.
Are you Rumpoles happy with that summation or have you arguments to the contrary?

 

[25 Sharps]

I also have a photo of the relevent details on my phone.

Me too.

 

[shakey jake]

You are correct, not having the certificate in your possession is not an offence.
Unless you are in possession of a firearm without one, which is a whole different matter.
But should you fail to produce a certificate on demand, the officer MAY require that you surrender your firearm if they so choose.
So while no crime is committed by not carrying a certificate, provided that you have one, there may be consequences if you fail to produce one on demand with a firearm in your possession.
Are you Rumpoles happy with that summation or have you arguments to the contrary?

dont worry a certain member will be along shortly to dissagree with you.

 

[25 Sharps]

The way this has actually gone, in my experience, is that at part 5. The officer decides to seize your guns and makes you wait on the roadside for ages whule they get an armed response car, because they are inadequately trained / incompetent. You have to abandon your shooting trip/weekend, spend an entire day driving back home to collect the certificate, take it to the distant provincial police station and reclaim your guns, which hopefully have not been damaged by the careless and negligent way in which the police generally treat them (see threads on damage to guns by the police).
6. Everyone goes home - the police happy at having screwed up your weekend, and you disgruntled. It's not a crime but it is a monumental pain in the arse.

Having been stopped 3 times only once have I been asked for a certificate, when I could not produce it they radioed into the control room who confirmed I had a certificate.

I asked him to let my FEO know he’d stopped me so he knew I was using my guns

 

[Dalua]

You are correct, not having the certificate in your possession is not an offence.
Unless you are in possession of a firearm without one, which is a whole different matter.
But should you fail to produce a certificate on demand, the officer MAY require that you surrender your firearm if they so choose.
So while no crime is committed by not carrying a certificate, provided that you have one, there may be consequences if you fail to produce one on demand with a firearm in your possession.
Are you Rumpoles happy with that summation or have you arguments to the contrary?

Was it Rumpole who quipped that an important point in a case should be made three times: first so the opposing counsel gets it, the second so the jury gets it, and the third time so that the judge stands a chance too.
Anyhow, I am sure the court is deeply indebted to your Lordship for the concise and accurate summary above.

 

[ColinJ]

Got to love these threads. There’s always someone peddling false information.
Police DO NOT flag your car (other mechanically propelled vehicles are available).
Once you apply for a Firearm or Shotgun Certificate then an entry is placed against your name on the Police National Computer.
That record remains in perpetuity. Regardless of whether you don’t renew your tickets, your certificates are revoked, or you die.
This applies for England & Wales. Different rules may apply in the colonies.

 

[Scapegoat]

Is that a fact or do you just think that.
Do you have anything official to your understanding ?
Thank you

30 year career as a cop, the last two of which were spent managing the command hub as required.
Once retired I worked in a Firearms Licensing Department.
So yes, I have first hand knowledge of the systems