Fight for the future of game shooting - have you had your say?

Fight for the future of game shooting - have you had your say?

  • Yes

    Votes: 100 81.3%
  • Not yet, but will respond soon

    Votes: 13 10.6%
  • Not interested

    Votes: 10 8.1%

  • Total voters
    123
Around 23 SD members have confirmed they have responded to the consultation on proposals to restriction gamebird releasing in Wales - something that takes a few minutes for anyone anywhere in the UK (or beyond) to complete to send a clear message to the anti-shooting Welsh Government that we as a shooting community SAY NO to the proposals.

Perhaps many more SD members have responded? Or perhaps many not heard of this issue yet? Or perhaps many do not have time or care?

There is no right or wrong answer - it would just be helpful to understand the potential scale of SD support for this and future campaigns to protect shooting from threats relative to other forums etc. online.

Just perhaps many might think the mass releases for commercial days where out of order ? I mean BASC itself seemed think along those lines at one stage and the NGO came to be .
Anyhow just a thought in the USA you cannot even feed a pond used for wild duck flighting and yet the Government themselves release pheasant on state hunting ground
Like i say just a thought on the why bit
 
The fishing fraternity would say that they have had licensing requirements to release fish for years why should shooting be any different. But they are not paranoid.
 
Just perhaps many might think the mass releases for commercial days where out of order ? I mean BASC itself seemed think along those lines at one stage and the NGO came to be .
Anyhow just a thought in the USA you cannot even feed a pond used for wild duck flighting and yet the Government themselves release pheasant on state hunting ground
Like i say just a thought on the why bit
The 'why' is apathy. No matter the policy issue we can expect around 1% to get involved. A really good result would be 5%. Some 100 SD members have got involved on the Wales gamebird releasing ban proposals. What % that is of active SD members is I do not know but if ok with admin I will try the same poll when the firearms consultation launches and let's see how the numbers compare.

360,500 out of around 7 million hunters in Europe signed the FACE petition. That's around 5%, a really good result.


As for the USA reference maybe listen to the following perspective from the USA based Blood Origins on proposals to take away people's shooting rights in Wales -See episode 377.

 
The fishing fraternity would say that they have had licensing requirements to release fish for years why should shooting be any different. But they are not paranoid.
You are comparing apples and oranges there. And indeed we have seen great support from the anglers in Wales in fighting against the proposals. Remember, in Wales, its anti-ideology driving this and it won't stop at game shooting.
 
The fishing fraternity would say that they have had licensing requirements to release fish for years why should shooting be any different. But they are not paranoid.
Is the state of this country’s rivers a source of pride? Whatever arrangements govern rivers are obviously a complete failure, not only on water quality, but also on fauna.
One of the seldom recognised problems with regulation is that it permits the people responsible to avoid taking any responsibility for doing their jobs properly.
 
The 'why' is apathy. No matter the policy issue we can expect around 1% to get involved. A really good result would be 5%. Some 100 SD members have got involved on the Wales gamebird releasing ban proposals. What % that is of active SD members is I do not know but if ok with admin I will try the same poll when the firearms consultation launches and let's see how the numbers compare.

360,500 out of around 7 million hunters in Europe signed the FACE petition. That's around 5%, a really good result.


As for the USA reference maybe listen to the following perspective from the USA based Blood Origins on proposals to take away people's shooting rights in Wales -See episode 377.

Never confuse apathy with silent disagreement - its simply the British way !
 
I really struggle with some of the replies on here - people who either hate game shooting so much they’re willing to risk their own sport to see it curtailed or those who are sufficiently naive to think that this is only about game shooting.

If we lived in the US or one of the Scandinavian countries where government generally accepts sport shooting and hunting that may be understandable. Such governments may genuinely be motivated only to deal with bad practice.

That’s not the situation here. Shooting sports do not enjoy broad support from government - much of which is drawn from a particular metropolitan social group. That’s even more so in Scotland and Wales.

You may not like game shooting, that’s fine. But make no mistake, you have a choice, support it now or don’t. If you don’t, whatever you do may (and eventually will) be next.
 
Yeah, very foolish of BASC to think that shooters might stick up for one another.
People see things different , filling trenches with unwanted dead birds , practically nothing about on the estate till the pheasant are released etc . Very different to traditional family shoots that dont sell days , small DIY syndicates and of course the grouse days . But its like walking around with a target on your back to have allowed this state of commercial days.
I have said why the apathy mentioned exists , folks can listen and act or ignore and do nothing differently into future . I know which will be the most damaging .
 
I can share some of your concerns about the really big shoots, but do you think the people pushing it will be happy to let small shoots and syndicates continue and just use this to penalise those burying birds?

Anyone going along with this because they think it will just deal with the excesses of big shoots is kidding themselves.
 
Get every Driven Grouse shooter,every Driven Pheasant shooter, and every Driven Partridge shooter to contribute the price of one target/bird to any fighting fund and I'll guarantee that ordinary joe shooter will contribute the price of a Rabbit or Pigeon shot to the fund too.
 
I can share some of your concerns about the really big shoots, but do you think the people pushing it will be happy to let small shoots and syndicates continue and just use this to penalise those burying birds?

Anyone going along with this because they think it will just deal with the excesses of big shoots is kidding themselves.
that's a good part of my point , its actually down to us to initiate reform .
 
In part I agree with some of what has been hinted about closely above.
I'm not against any of the big bag driven shoots, but personally see them as distasteful, and also drawing negative attention to the whole of shooting.
I liken it to the negative press, organised events like foxhunting on horseback or the Waterloo cup brought to hunting with dogs.
Without these provocative events I can imagine hunting with dogs could have dodged a bullet.
Exactly what is said above, it paints a target on the back of all shooting unfortunately.
 
NRW have confirmed they had 42,000 responses to the consultation, which closed yesterday.

Click link below for more information


Click link below to download BASC's consultation response

 
NRW have confirmed they had 42,000 responses to the consultation, which closed yesterday.

Click link below for more information


Click link below to download BASC's consultation response

Conor
Do we know yet how many of the 42 k are in our favour ?
 
Part of the issue that BASC seems to only be interested in game shooting and the majority of it being large driven days.

They capitulated from the stance of no need to change with lead ammo to yes we’re phasing it out.
Where were they for the air rifle shooter in the lead debate?

So you excuse me if I feel a bit dejected and can’t be ar**d about this.
My shooting will be severely restricted and probably end, no matter what happens with this.
 
whatever you do may (and eventually will) be next.
Yes, I hear that all the time and have never agreed with it. There was no practical need to control foxes by horses and dogs chasing them around the countryside. It was just an excuse to go on some other poor buggers ground. Similarly there is no practical need for large scale commercial shoots. Small shoots and walked up days may well be caught in the cross fire but that is a result of shooters not being able to control themselves.

Other things which are of practical use will not be banned. Like deer stalking and vermin control
 
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