waterford103
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Being banned by You tube , Farcebook , Twitter et al is just proof that Rand Paul is right , most social media and media generally are left wing scum .
Finally...the tide of opinion is turning
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Freeforester
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So much semantics, or ’Many a slip, twixt cup and lip’, but deftly deflecting from the matter in hand. Two wrongs, a right does not make.
On the actual matter of masks, it’s widely accepted that the N95 mask, when properly fitted, does indeed offer better, though not full protection; the advice about the efficacy against protection from viruses of the common or garden blue/white surgical type masks is written the side of the boxes they come in. The fact that everyone has been dutifully toeing the party line in respect of mask wearing for the last couple of years would give an indication of how effective they are: summer time, good, winter time, not so much. Given that a virus is roughly one eightieth the size of a tiny water vapour micro droplet of the type that regularly helps to steam up spectacle wearers glasses, it is hardly surprising they have been pretty ineffective in halting the progress of the virus - that is better achieved by keeping away from others, self-isolation (again, a bit ineffective, given the evidence and in consideration of the numbers reckoned to have ignored that advice) and hand washing. (Prevention is better than cure, but we won’t start on the efficacy of that stuff on the other thread!).
On the actual matter of masks, it’s widely accepted that the N95 mask, when properly fitted, does indeed offer better, though not full protection; the advice about the efficacy against protection from viruses of the common or garden blue/white surgical type masks is written the side of the boxes they come in. The fact that everyone has been dutifully toeing the party line in respect of mask wearing for the last couple of years would give an indication of how effective they are: summer time, good, winter time, not so much. Given that a virus is roughly one eightieth the size of a tiny water vapour micro droplet of the type that regularly helps to steam up spectacle wearers glasses, it is hardly surprising they have been pretty ineffective in halting the progress of the virus - that is better achieved by keeping away from others, self-isolation (again, a bit ineffective, given the evidence and in consideration of the numbers reckoned to have ignored that advice) and hand washing. (Prevention is better than cure, but we won’t start on the efficacy of that stuff on the other thread!).
waterford103
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Just like common or garden 'flu then .
Rand Paul is not right - he's just another republican politician afraid of Trump and his "base"
His every word is designed to curry favour with them.
He might be better served by trying to educate them rather than pander to them.
Cheers
Bruce
Freeforester
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A political, apolitical?
Delta is far more infectious, though less virulent than the original strain. Not that it matters, politically, lines are already drawn. Conclusions too.
Leading by example, all the way up the garden path, lol!
Delta is far more infectious, though less virulent than the original strain. Not that it matters, politically, lines are already drawn. Conclusions too.
Leading by example, all the way up the garden path, lol!
Fair enough, glad we aren’t debating his medical credentials. I don’t have any view on his political statements.
Frank Homes
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Don't forget the extra H in Ophthalmology @mealiejimmy
teyhan1
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Ok. I see what you have written.
Please explain what benefit ANY government has derived from this ‘scam’?
Tf223
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And how many 10s of thousands of people would have to be ‘involved’ in covering up this so called scam.
Freeforester
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how it ‘works’ 
5mins in, we get a little insight into matters.
5mins in, we get a little insight into matters.
Cmon Steve, Jim Jordan is just another Trump arse licker.
Just like:
Rand Paul
Marjorie Taylor Green
Matt Gaetz
Ted Cruz
Loren Bobert
Kevin McCarthy
etc, etc, etc
Trump lost the election, lost the Republican majority in the House of representative and lost the Republican majority in the Senate, and with it these nutjobs political ambitions.
All they are left with is shouting from the sidelines
Apparently Jordan was a pretty decent wrestler when he was younger - but I fancy he knows a lot less about diseases than Fauci
Cheers
Bruce
Just like:
Rand Paul
Marjorie Taylor Green
Matt Gaetz
Ted Cruz
Loren Bobert
Kevin McCarthy
etc, etc, etc
Trump lost the election, lost the Republican majority in the House of representative and lost the Republican majority in the Senate, and with it these nutjobs political ambitions.
All they are left with is shouting from the sidelines
Apparently Jordan was a pretty decent wrestler when he was younger - but I fancy he knows a lot less about diseases than Fauci
Cheers
Bruce
Freeforester
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I don’t know much about the messengers, Bruce, and I think Trump will be about as useful as Biden by 2024, so no skin in the game either way, for my interest it’s more about the message, ‘the science’, as Muller said, not scientists’ opinions. To wit, the evidence. Consider the evidence.
Pointless gas-lighting: marginalise and demean the speaker rather than engage with the information uncovered
The facts, the science, the details. That is all that matters. Not the identity of the person revealing them.
SALK and other experts now declare that the spike protein is the primary pathogen in SARS-CoV-2. In the clip below, the co-author of the mRNA vehicle for the vaccine states that evidence now suggests that the vaccine created spike protein causes covid symptoms in some recipients.
Later in this clip, he also explains that there exist serious flaws in the certification [CTD] associated with the vaccines as deployed. Specifically: the vaccine created "spike" was supposed to be limited to the point of insertion in the body [cell bounded or similar wording]. Dr Malone states that in one study group, it was discovered that in 23% of front line workers screened post vaccine, the vaccine-created spike protein was discovered in the vasculature. He states that to be a significant and fundamental CTD breach.
But watch and weigh the data for youself.
youtu.be/9E2UkhCWosg?t=1239
We are all aware of that, very aware.
How long have you been studying medicine yourself?
Freeforester
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paul o'
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I have a spin on Covid PPE the more stupid that don't ! then there's more to go around for the ones that do ? .
I think we have all had enough of it and its time to accept it like the Xmas dog saying .
At work we have been able to all keep doing our jobs , Nr all have still to take last years hols let alone this years . One new guy comes along , an anti vac as it turn's out and two weeks later three are off with C19 one in a bad way this after the new Guy visited an old folks home without requesting if they were clear ?? Go figure .
I think we have all had enough of it and its time to accept it like the Xmas dog saying .
At work we have been able to all keep doing our jobs , Nr all have still to take last years hols let alone this years . One new guy comes along , an anti vac as it turn's out and two weeks later three are off with C19 one in a bad way this after the new Guy visited an old folks home without requesting if they were clear ?? Go figure .
You short of breath?
Freeforester
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The US view, note what they expect to happen in the autumn, the paragraph coming after the question of efficacy of the vaccine against delta variant; if the vaccine does not work, it serves only to further assist in the evolving of new vaccine escaping variants, possibly more virulent, possibly not, but nevertheless vaccine proof variants.
www.sciencemag.org
Interesting to see the ‘scientists baffled’ trope being played in respect of the Indian experience, where a 97% reduction in daily cases was recorded in Delhi following the introduction of Ivermectin in late April, quite a ‘temporal correlation’, no?
OTOH, The Macron view:
Today - 10/08/2021 - BBC Sounds
(42-46 minutes in)
OTOH the US position, again, for the benefit of the Macron administration:
www.nature.com
Meanwhile, in Germany the authorities plan in their campaign against delta variant to (unwittingly) ‘help develop’ a variant that is even more capable of escaping mixed vaccine types (note that Herr Spahn does not suggest that the proposed plan will be 100% successful); remember too, that delta likely began a single-case breakthrough variant. It’s a given that any such breakthrough variant will be even more transmissible given its ability to avoid ‘cocktail-vaccines’
Benefit?: big pharma makes big money, while the circus of experimentation continues…
OTOH here? 10% caught it in hospitals in the first wave (who knew?), and a ’significant proportion’ of mortality was in care homes, as we know. Should have worn masks in them places
But now, these authorities think a leaking vaccine will help save us, or at least until such time as the emergence of new variants, driven precisely by their failed policies
What does the Delta variant have in store for the United States? We asked coronavirus experts
Increased vaccination and a return to wearing masks could avert worst-case scenarios for the Delta-driven surge
Interesting to see the ‘scientists baffled’ trope being played in respect of the Indian experience, where a 97% reduction in daily cases was recorded in Delhi following the introduction of Ivermectin in late April, quite a ‘temporal correlation’, no?
OTOH, The Macron view:
Today - 10/08/2021 - BBC Sounds
(42-46 minutes in)
OTOH the US position, again, for the benefit of the Macron administration:
How do vaccinated people spread Delta? What the science says
Emerging data suggest that Delta could spread more readily than other coronavirus variants among people vaccinated against COVID-19. But key questions remain.
www.nature.com
Meanwhile, in Germany the authorities plan in their campaign against delta variant to (unwittingly) ‘help develop’ a variant that is even more capable of escaping mixed vaccine types (note that Herr Spahn does not suggest that the proposed plan will be 100% successful); remember too, that delta likely began a single-case breakthrough variant. It’s a given that any such breakthrough variant will be even more transmissible given its ability to avoid ‘cocktail-vaccines’
Benefit?: big pharma makes big money, while the circus of experimentation continues…OTOH here? 10% caught it in hospitals in the first wave (who knew?), and a ’significant proportion’ of mortality was in care homes, as we know. Should have worn masks in them places
But now, these authorities think a leaking vaccine will help save us, or at least until such time as the emergence of new variants, driven precisely by their failed policies
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mchughcb
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Jordan vs AOC, what your preference for a dinner date?
Freeforester
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