Firearms Grant Refusal - Appeal

[VSS]

As far as TSD is concerned your name & address can't be found unless you've put it on the site. Then only if the site could be hacked (all your PMs read perhaps?).
Only Admin can say whether that's possible. I only send my EMA via PMs on the site, and use no other social media.

Really?
I remember a thread - either on here or another similar forum - where one person was arguing that it couldn't be done, and another was arguing that it could. "Prove it!" said the doubter. Shortly afterwards, the other chap came up with his personal details such as real name, address, vehicle registration, etc. No idea how, but he did it.

 

[Corvid8x57]

Might be worth giving these guys a go:

Alex Lawson Successfully Overturns Decision to Revoke a Firearms Licence under S44 of the Firearms Act 1968

In the matter of Vater v Kent Chief Constable of Kent, Alex Lawson instructed by Robson & Co. Solicitors represented the appellant, who had had his firearms

www.33bedfordrow.co.uk

I know both the solicitor & the barrister involved & wouldn‘t pick an argument with either

 

[Yes]

It's hard being a gun owner in the UK. When I was there it seemed as if everything is against me, that's probably because it was.

Even when I left the country they were still not satisfied, the police gave me an Interpol record as a leaving present. They could not come up with a single crime, the record just says "caution violent "

 

[MerseaMal]

Country Cover Club covers appeal costs.

Even if there’s no chance of winning?

 

[dvbookshop]

Why would anyone appeal if they had no chance of winning?

 

[Whitefront]

How many times have CCC funded an appeal and, of those, how many have they won?

 

[Muirmains]

I put up a freedom of information screen shot from police Scotland that they fought to hide, it was released by the commissioner not by police Scotland and still you got some people saying it was not real, could not care if they don’t believe it it real and it true. They loose tuns of money at court because of there stupid decisions defending nonsense. If you can afford it go for it

 

[Whitefront]

I put up a freedom of information screen shot from police Scotland that they fought to hide, it was released by the commissioner not by police Scotland and still you got some people saying it was not real, could not care if they don’t believe it it real and it true. They loose tuns of money at court because of there stupid decisions defending nonsense. If you can afford it go for it

The screenshot you put up showed, in part, "money reclaimed by Police Scotland...". But the key point is that if you go up against the police on a certificate matter you are unlikely to recover your own legal costs even if you win. And those costs could be considerable. So the key is not what taxpayer-funded PS manage to reclaim, or how much taxpayers' dosh they spend defending their decisions, so much as what you have to pay to get the matter into court in the first place, without much chance of recovering it. This last is a large part of why most insurance companies won't actually take such cases on for certificate holders, despite all sorts of claims being made by those who sell cheap legal policy add-ons.

 

[Yes]

But the key point is that if you go up against the police on a certificate matter you are unlikely to recover your own legal costs even if you win. And those costs could be considerable. IE it's not what PS reclaim, it's what you have to pay to get the matter into court in the first place.

What is stopping you representing yourself in court ? That costs nothing.

 

[Stalker62]

What is stopping you representing yourself in court ?

 

[Yes]

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I guess that makes me a fool then. I represented myself in court and won.

 

[Stalker62]

I guess that makes me a fool then. I represented myself in court and won.

Please feel free to post the evidence - I would be delighted to read it.

 

[RescueMe0007]

Is this how it's done in Euope/Eire ?

Fair Hill outlined the regime in this jurisdiction (I've no idea as to the rest of Europe), of course the usual caveats apply. One must be of good character, temperate habits and have a justifiable reason for owning/using a firearm. If ones application is refused (has to be done in writing and specifying the reasons for the which must be detailed and grounded in law & fact) the an appeal is made in the district court. The AGS must then justify their reasoning to the courts satisfaction or the appeal will be upheld. Over the years we've had quite a number of appeals which have been upheld by the courts and the AGS have had to change their behaviour/approach on certain issues. Many of ours have stemmed from the AGS lacking adequate training and knowledge around firearms and law. There has been an improvement over the recent past.

 

[Yes]

Please feel free to post the evidence - I would be delighted to read it.

Search SaskSten on the RCMP FRT database. You will find several Sten gun models produced by myself that are legal to own in Canada. They tried to prohibit them but failed.

They made a video to use against me in court..............

 

[Muirmains]

The screenshot you put up showed, in part, "money reclaimed by Police Scotland...". But the key point is that if you go up against the police on a certificate matter you are unlikely to recover your own legal costs even if you win. And those costs could be considerable. So the key is not what taxpayer-funded PS manage to reclaim, or how much taxpayers' dosh they spend defending their decisions, so much as what you have to pay to get the matter into court in the first place, without much chance of recovering it. This last is a large part of why most insurance companies won't actually take such cases on for certificate holders, despite all sorts of claims being made by those who sell cheap legal policy add-ons.

Oh I agree totally with you. Folk with money can appeal and win as the data from police Scotland show. However you need the money and if you ain’t got it your stuffed. These insurance claims I have never known anyone to have used them in court. It’s civil court 51% is the only burden of truth to win. Just me thinking if the policy’s were as good as they seen a lot more folk would have taken the police to court and the police would not be so gun ho with refusing certs for utter nonsense. A certificate ain’t worth £20k to me but it all depends on how much £ you got.

 

[Yes]

However you need the money and if you ain’t got it your stuffed.

You don't need money, you need a pair of balls.

 

[Muirmains]

You don't need money, you need a pair of balls.

I use to think that I been refused before I have been there , but it’s not a big pair you need , sometimes you’ve got to take it on the chin. If you lose at court and the sheriff awards cost against you say £20k and you ain’t got it . Then they can and will make you bankrupt and sell your house to pay their cost’s . If your that keen on shooting pay for stalking or go out with friends , I would never risk my family’s home for a stupid gun , that’s just me that how the police get to make crazy reason to refuse, the risks for the ordinary man are to great. I know one guy who was refused , you won’t believe this for being flippant, I kid you not. The police know people can’t go to court and that’s why you get refusals for being flippant.

 

[Bowland blades]

STD practice from the coppers is likely to dictate you get your whole fac suspended until your appeal is finalised! you ready for that ? Been there myself years ago

 

[Yes]

I use to think that I been refused before I have been there , but it’s not a big pair you need , sometimes you’ve got to take it on the chin. If you lose at court and the sheriff awards cost against you say £20k and you ain’t got it . Then they can and will make you bankrupt and sell your house to pay their cost’s . If your that keen on shooting pay for stalking or go out with friends , I would never risk my family’s home for a stupid gun , that’s just me that how the police get to make crazy reason to refuse, the risks for the ordinary man are to great. I know one guy who was refused , you won’t believe this for being flippant, I kid you not. The police know people can’t go to court and that’s why you get refusals for being flippant.

I would agree with you if you don't have a strong case, but remember that they can only take what you own., make sure you own nothing and you will be able to relax. I'm as poor as a church mouse, the old woman is doing ok though.

The Old Bill rely on people being intimidated by the judicial system, but I can tell you from experience that there is nothing more satisfying than pi**ing in their cornflakes.

 

[Bowland blades]

You don't need money, you need a pair of balls.

and a good bit of luck ! I do know two successful appeals for grant by people with very bad things in their past . Its a different matter when they say you cannot have x term or y calibre, chances are they just string you out on that one as long as they can then settle outside the court before the first day