Firearms Grant Refusal - Appeal

[Yes]

and a good bit of luck ! I do know two successful appeals for grant by people with very bad things in their past . Its a different matter when they say you cannot have x term or y calibre, chances are they just string you out on that one as long as they can then settle outside the court before the first day

That's why you don't need a lawyer, they will string it out forever and bankrupt you that way. Do it by yourself and you are in charge.

PS, I got the judge to throw them out of the court room, the whole bunch of them were just sitting there as bold as brass before they had even been called to give evidence.

 

[GMan14]

Well, I’ve appointed a barrister, served my appeal and received direction from the court today. Happy with the timeline set out in the court direction. 4 weeks for police evidence bundle followed by 4 weeks to produce my bundle, then a week to agree inconvenient dates. A hearing date will be confirmed by late August / early September.

 

[Frank Homes]

Well, I’ve appointed a barrister, served my appeal and received direction from the court today. Happy with the timeline set out in the court direction. 4 weeks for police evidence bundle followed by 4 weeks to produce my bundle, then a week to agree inconvenient dates. A hearing date will be confirmed by late August / early September.

Good luck i hope it goes well.

 

[griff]

Oh I agree totally with you. Folk with money can appeal and win as the data from police Scotland show. However you need the money and if you ain’t got it your stuffed. These insurance claims I have never known anyone to have used them in court. It’s civil court 51% is the only burden of truth to win. Just me thinking if the policy’s were as good as they seen a lot more folk would have taken the police to court and the police would not be so gun ho with refusing certs for utter nonsense. A certificate ain’t worth £20k to me but it all depends on how much £ you got.

I have a friend who was a FLO, he told me that they always did a bank search before any refusal to see if they could afford to fight it..

 

[Yes]

I have a friend who was a FLO, he told me that they always did a bank search before any refusal to see if they could afford to fight it..

That does not surprise me in the slightest.

 

[Yes]

The problem with the PTB in the UK is that once they have begrudgingly let you have a license, they do everything possible to take it off you again. Nevertheless it makes me happy to know that there are still people willing to fight the authorities over gun ownership.

They revoked my FAC and confiscated my guns because I was accused of breaking a now defunkt regulation in the wildlife and countryside act. I did not register a Lanner falcon within the required time frame., and that made me a criminal It was enough for a gang of them to tear the house apart and terrorize the wife. ( I was in Scotland at the time ) And they wonder why people hate the police .

I have noticed that a lot of Englishmen living here have guns, and I have never met a Chinaman ( there are many ) who is not heavily armed. In the UK it's very hard to own guns, in China it's totally impossible. The first thing the Chinese do when they get here is go to the nearest gun shop.

The liberal Feds in Ottawa would love to confiscate all the guns in Canada, but it will never happen, especially here in the West. People will never willingly hand over their guns, they will have to take them, and good luck with that ......................... Guns are important, they are a symbol of freedom.

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[Stalker62]

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[Yes]

Here is why I am having difficulty in taking anything you say seriously...

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You posted this image on your profile - what reaction did you think it would cause?

PS

It's a rhetorical question so please, I beg of you, do not answer it...

What on earth makes you think it's supposed to be taken seriously lol Chill out FFS

 

[Stalker62]

What on earth makes you think it's supposed to be taken seriously lol

I really hope not...

 

[Bo Diddley]

Well, I’ve appointed a barrister, served my appeal and received direction from the court today. Happy with the timeline set out in the court direction. 4 weeks for police evidence bundle followed by 4 weeks to produce my bundle, then a week to agree inconvenient dates. A hearing date will be confirmed by late August / early September.

Good luck buddy, I hope you are successful.
I hope this gets sorted for you at the first hearing... Talk of bundles and hearing dates bring it all back to me when my GF took on a Fuel Trust over a succession Tenancy for her mothers smallholding... she didn't win and it unfortunately dragged on for years, good job members of her family have deep pockets and long arms.

 

[Jeff8861]

I have a friend who was a FLO, he told me that they always did a bank search before any refusal to see if they could afford to fight it..

That is a load of rubbish. Which senior officer would authorise a transactions that isn't for a policing pupose. I know first hand how difficult it is for the police to access financial records. The flm doesn't look at the inviduals finance why would they. They look solely at the risk and the safety of others. It makes no difference if you're a millionaire or a haven't got a penny.

 

[Tallguy]

I have a friend who was a FLO, he told me that they always did a bank search before any refusal to see if they could afford to fight it..

I’d love to know how they do that.

 

[Jeff8861]

I’d love to know how they do that.

They can't

 

[Bowland blades]

I have a friend who was a FLO, he told me that they always did a bank search before any refusal to see if they could afford to fight it..

That is going to be a local thing and a change in leadership or just experiences could shape that one. Not sure how accurate the search would be at a basic level , its hard when it involves multiple accounts at various banks ( some in business names etc ) then of course there is cash, gold or other funds not even stored in an account or in safe deposit boxes.
Its very, very hard to be sure of someone's available wealth across the whole . Appearances mean absolute zero but then we all know how poor quality governments orgs staff and leadership , when it comes right down to it and its certainly getting worse

 

[Jeff8861]

That is going to be a local thing and a change in leadership or just experiences could shape that one. Not sure how accurate the search would be at a basic level , its hard when it involves multiple accounts at various banks ( some in business names etc ) then of course there is cash, gold or other funds not even stored in an account or in safe deposit boxes.
Its very, very hard to be sure of someone's available wealth across the whole . Appearances mean absolute zero but then we all know how poor quality governments orgs staff and leadership , when it comes right down to it and its certainly getting worse

It doesn't happen anywhere the rules regulations and authorities are so stringent. Accessing financial records will only occurr in certain circumstances. Serious organised crime financial fraud and matters of national security. Firearms appeal isn't going to cut it and why should it.

 

[Liveonce]

They can't

Without a warrant

 

[Jeff8861]

Without a warrant

Don't need a warrant in most criminal cases information can be applied for as part of a criminal investigation

 

[Liveonce]

Don't need a warrant in most criminal cases information can be applied for as part of a criminal investigation

Indeed but the grant of a firearms licence is not a criminal investigation.

 

[Lancaster]

I have a friend who was a FLO, he told me that they always did a bank search before any refusal to see if they could afford to fight it..

Surprised by this?

Any officer can make a request for financial information as long as it has been approved by an inspector or above, but the request would have to contain details of the criminal investigation to which it relates and be proportionate to the purpose for which the information is requested.

Approving a FAC/SGC isn't in itself a criminal investigation, though the process does look at what, if any, information is held on the applicant on Police databases, so looks to be an abuse of the powers the Police have to investigate a persons financial information.

It also doesn't appear to be proportionate for the purpose as to why the information is being sought.

If it only being used when a certificate is going to be refused, all Police information relevant to the case should be part of the bundle of evidence being presented to support their decision at appeal.
The Brown stuff would hit the fan if it was apparent that the Police had misused their powers to make a financial investigation as part of their decision making process. as this does not form part of the criteria against which a person is judged in regard to them being a suitable person to hold a certificate.

 

[Jeff8861]

Indeed but the grant of a firearms licence is not a criminal investigation.

Yes so it would be even harder to obtain the appropriate authority. Human rights and the data protection act come in to play and firearms licensing appeal would not satisfy both. Having been a cop for 23 years including being the cop in a firearms licensing department I never applied for the access of financial information. Never needed to and it would never be authorised.
Again which is a common occurrence on here folk post inaccurate information. Most of the time it's based on rumour and hearsay. Normally from folk who have lost thier certificate or folk who just don't understand the process.
Here is the prevalent sections. prevention or detection of crime (section 29)
the apprehension or prosecution of offenders (section 29)
the purpose of, or in connection with any legal proceedings (section 35), or
reasons of national security (section 28) to the extent that non-disclosure of the requested information would be likely to prejudice one or more of those same purposes