Moray Outfitting
Well-Known Member
This rages on everytime it comes up.
From previous threads/posts our belief that safety/ first aid issues should receive more thought has been demonstrated. From our side of the equation - equally demonstrated very, very few people are actually interested in spending on quality kit or attending training. Thats just what we've found - no rancour etc intended.
With both shooting training and the first aid side, there seems a constant draw toward combat/military oriented situations. Aside from possible cammo clothing, being outside and a generic use of a firearm there are far more differences than parallels. The military have a very different base criteria than the civilian individual. Though have had the occassional client so obsessed that - had the occasion arisen - they would have 'fought through to objective' and only then returned to deal with an injured companion!
Medical studies take a long time - its not all drinking and parties. Obviously Vet training is much simpler.... ( just kidding Apache
). As in life, things are simultaneously very simple and hugely complex. Hence much of the apparent conflicting advice on the first aid front and bleeding in particular. Most often a position isnt wholly right or wrong - it derives from a large number of elements.
What anyone, commenting upon any issue on a forum such as this should keep in mind is that some reader may take what they say as gospel. Whilst there may be no clear legal route to come back and sue, one hopes that conscience comes into play.
Lots of kit has a place, some more specialised than others. Some has pro's and cons - occassionally quite fundamental ones! Each individual should be at liberty to make up their own mind as to what they wish to do/carry for themselves. I would add that any difference between what you'd do to yourself and to someone else a. known and b. unknown to you needs thought.
But for each and every item, I would respectfully urge the following self test -
1. Whats it for
2. Do I know how to use it
3. Do I know when to use it
4. Do I know the pro's and cons
5. Do I know why I 'm carrying it
6. Am I prepared to take responsibility for my choice.
To answer those questions needs some solid research. It could be online or via a course. Good practise suggests using several different sources to avoid bias. That done, if you cannot clearly and positively cover every question, leave it out.
I believe everytime such topics are raised is useful - because it generates debate and focus.
Again without rancour, our stance is that actual incidents represent a very good learning opportunity. However, they happen to real people and deep affect those connected with them. Great care is required and other than immediately pressing safety issues - eg a fault with a jet plane engine - within days or a few weeks of the incident is too early. Regardless the matter should not be raised on any kind of speculative basis. Its the facts that are relevant, until those fully emerge it is irrelevant, insensitive and ill-timed to raise such things.
Cant readily find it, but Bogtrotter did an excellent post sometime back regards what was actually most likely to happen injury wise on the hill. It was ( as ever ) very well put. Yet we never seem to debate 'unsexy' kit like survival blankets with the same passion!
From previous threads/posts our belief that safety/ first aid issues should receive more thought has been demonstrated. From our side of the equation - equally demonstrated very, very few people are actually interested in spending on quality kit or attending training. Thats just what we've found - no rancour etc intended.
With both shooting training and the first aid side, there seems a constant draw toward combat/military oriented situations. Aside from possible cammo clothing, being outside and a generic use of a firearm there are far more differences than parallels. The military have a very different base criteria than the civilian individual. Though have had the occassional client so obsessed that - had the occasion arisen - they would have 'fought through to objective' and only then returned to deal with an injured companion!
Medical studies take a long time - its not all drinking and parties. Obviously Vet training is much simpler.... ( just kidding Apache
). As in life, things are simultaneously very simple and hugely complex. Hence much of the apparent conflicting advice on the first aid front and bleeding in particular. Most often a position isnt wholly right or wrong - it derives from a large number of elements.What anyone, commenting upon any issue on a forum such as this should keep in mind is that some reader may take what they say as gospel. Whilst there may be no clear legal route to come back and sue, one hopes that conscience comes into play.
Lots of kit has a place, some more specialised than others. Some has pro's and cons - occassionally quite fundamental ones! Each individual should be at liberty to make up their own mind as to what they wish to do/carry for themselves. I would add that any difference between what you'd do to yourself and to someone else a. known and b. unknown to you needs thought.
But for each and every item, I would respectfully urge the following self test -
1. Whats it for
2. Do I know how to use it
3. Do I know when to use it
4. Do I know the pro's and cons
5. Do I know why I 'm carrying it
6. Am I prepared to take responsibility for my choice.
To answer those questions needs some solid research. It could be online or via a course. Good practise suggests using several different sources to avoid bias. That done, if you cannot clearly and positively cover every question, leave it out.
I believe everytime such topics are raised is useful - because it generates debate and focus.
Again without rancour, our stance is that actual incidents represent a very good learning opportunity. However, they happen to real people and deep affect those connected with them. Great care is required and other than immediately pressing safety issues - eg a fault with a jet plane engine - within days or a few weeks of the incident is too early. Regardless the matter should not be raised on any kind of speculative basis. Its the facts that are relevant, until those fully emerge it is irrelevant, insensitive and ill-timed to raise such things.
Cant readily find it, but Bogtrotter did an excellent post sometime back regards what was actually most likely to happen injury wise on the hill. It was ( as ever ) very well put. Yet we never seem to debate 'unsexy' kit like survival blankets with the same passion!
. no one has been done yet for trying to save a life, but ? 
would be better to try than doing nowt like a chicking runing around thing 
glad the lads get it now poor buggers at least we sorter new our foe 
