Game dealer not accepting lead shot carcasses
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StephenToast
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I shoot foxes with my .30-06. It doesn't appear to be an issue to them.
StephenToast
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Oh cool. I'll be interested to hear how he gets on.
Roestalker39
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Anything’s better than filthy lead ! I’m in
So because you don’t enjoy target shooting it pointless? Alright Jack.
Do you shoot a lot of foxes or just the odd one? And no vermin.
So we really are talking about different things, I have said in every thread on this matter, copper is not a real issue for deer but it is for the rest of us.
But as always with the shooting community as long as your own branch of the sport will be okay, sod the rest of them. That attitude, your attitude, will be the death of shooting sports in the years to come.
So you do a lot of dedicated foxing then? Or just shoot them when you see them out stalking?
CarlW
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Do you feel that your particular brand of triumphalism is helping or hindering those people who are currently wrestling with what is quite an emotive issue?
Have a read of some of @StephenToast 's posts and try to pick up some stylistic tips from him.
StephenToast
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A bit of both.
When you say dedicated foxing. I don't use NV or thermal and haven't spent masses on kit. To a real foxer I would appear amateurish I am sure.
I have considered a Pard 007 but at present I still lamp with red light, I occasionally switch to green if I am feeling like a change.
I don't keep a record of what I shoot but at a guess somewhere between 50 and 75 in the lamp annually. Less that 10 or a dozen while I'm out stalking. That's probably not a significant dent in the population as there are lots of pig units about here which are like fox paradise.
All with your ‘06?
StephenToast
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Yeah. I don't own another rifle except for my .22lr and an airgun.
Genuine question - what’s in question relating to fox shooting? Used to a fair bit of foxing/lamping All with lead at the time, so I’m not sure why the copper bullets would effect this? Other than the increased ricochet chance are you talking about the lack of rapid expansion? I can see the .22LR being the biggest worry as they are “zingy” as it is.
my concern with copper is the increased risk of ricochet...where I shoot there is a lot of granite and not flat ground...and people can bang on as much as they like about a “back stop being a back stop” but that’s not always realistic and knowing lead will likely disintegrate when hitting something hard is more comforting than the thought of a bounce with copper.
regards,
Gixer
Why would you right? The venerable 06 does it pretty much all!
StephenToast
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That's what I've been saying all along!Why would you right? The venerable 06 does it pretty much all!
Norfolk Deer Search
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sorry I’m clear cut, black is black and white is white, on this subject I can speak from over a decades experience with non lead projectiles.
I have shot more deer than most can dream of, to the point I’m almost sick to the back teeth of it!
I only keep going on so good friends of mine can have sostalking.
no I don’t punch paper, I kill deer and foxes, shot 4 last week at £2.40 a pop and do I care? No kept the farmer happy and crack on.
from my experience this is what works
Barnes ttsx
Lapua naturalis
Fox hunter
the Hornady offering is shite, but excellent if you want work for your dog.
Increased ricochet, lower expansion - we’re talking polar difference between a bullet that expands to twice its size to one that disintegrates in the animal- meaning that there will be more wounded animals.
Far lower BC for lead free projectiles meaning that longer shots, which sometimes are necessary with spooky foxes, are more likely to go wrong, meaning more wounded animals.
sever lack of options for lead free bullets to choose from and even less for lead free factory ammunition.
lack of suitability of current fox rifles to shoot longer lead free bullets. For deer you are talking .243 and 100 gr, for fox .222, .22 hornet, 22-250, .204 etc will all have issues if they don’t like the very few bullets on offer
Norfolk Deer Search
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Provide me with 100% cast iron evidence that copper will result in more wounded animals, I’m not talking bullshite figures I’m after FACT!
I have lost 3 animals in almost 15 years out of well over 2000 animals, tell me that’s a high wounding rate!
I have lost 3 animals in almost 15 years out of well over 2000 animals, tell me that’s a high wounding rate!
Roestalker39
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So you want evidence to prove something ??? Quite the irony isn’t it
no evidence no change Easy, it is a legal requirement to use expanding ammunition on deer.
Expansion leads to a quicker, more humane death, lead bullets expand and transfer their energy better therefore give a wider margin for error.
Equally a bullet that suffers less drop and less wind drift is more likely to hit where you aim. That’s just physics which even you can’t argue with.
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