German Study on eating lead shot game

[Heym SR20]

Shows are markedly higher levels of lead in the blood of German hunters who regularly eat lead shot game meat.

Now I appreciate that many believe the genetic make up of UK hunters is very different to that of Germans so this research doesn’t apply.

Others may be more interested in it

Influence of Ingestion of Game Meat on Blood Concentration of Lead in Southern Germany: A Pilot Study - PMC

Consumption of game meat may exert additional lead exposure with potential health risks. The purpose of the present pilot study was to determine blood lead concentration in game meat and no game meat consumers in southern Germany. Concentration of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Chris Richardson]

Shows are markedly higher levels of lead in the blood of German hunters who regularly eat lead shot game meat.

Now I appreciate that many believe the genetic make up of UK hunters is very different to that of Germans so this research doesn’t apply.

Others may be more interested in it

Influence of Ingestion of Game Meat on Blood Concentration of Lead in Southern Germany: A Pilot Study - PMC

Consumption of game meat may exert additional lead exposure with potential health risks. The purpose of the present pilot study was to determine blood lead concentration in game meat and no game meat consumers in southern Germany. Concentration of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

any evidence of illness in said hunters that can be proven from eating lead shot game ? it says in the study that smoking can cause elevated lead levels which they dont account for too.....

 

[maximus otter]

Shows are markedly higher levels of lead in the blood of German hunters who regularly eat lead shot game meat.

Now I appreciate that many believe the genetic make up of UK hunters is very different to that of Germans so this research doesn’t apply.

Others may be more interested in it

Influence of Ingestion of Game Meat on Blood Concentration of Lead in Southern Germany: A Pilot Study - PMC

Consumption of game meat may exert additional lead exposure with potential health risks. The purpose of the present pilot study was to determine blood lead concentration in game meat and no game meat consumers in southern Germany. Concentration of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“A limitation of the present pilot study may be that hobbies other than hunting and shooting sports, e.g. stained glass or ceramics, or residential and workplace proximity to potential sources of lead were not included.

Also smoking as a potential contributor to blood lead levels was not assessed...

In conclusion, concentration of lead in blood was significantly higher in game meat consumers compared to study participants consuming no game meat. Additionally, in study participants with no game meat consumption, blood lead concentration was significantly higher in those who perform active hunting as well as shooting.

However, overall differences in lead blood concentrations were very low and mostly below the biological tolerance value of 200 µg·L− 1.”

Of the people sampled, only one had a blood lead level higher than the biological tolerance value of 200 µg·L− 1, and he was an active IPSC pistol shooter, so exposed to short-range lead splash.

Pass the venison, please.

maximus otter

 

[Heym SR20]

“A limitation of the present pilot study may be that hobbies other than hunting and shooting sports, e.g. stained glass or ceramics, or residential and workplace proximity to potential sources of lead were not included.

Also smoking as a potential contributor to blood lead levels was not assessed...

In conclusion, concentration of lead in blood was significantly higher in game meat consumers compared to study participants consuming no game meat. Additionally, in study participants with no game meat consumption, blood lead concentration was significantly higher in those who perform active hunting as well as shooting.

However, overall differences in lead blood concentrations were very low and mostly below the biological tolerance value of 200 µg·L− 1.”

Of the people sampled, only one had a blood lead level higher than the biological tolerance value of 200 µg·L− 1, and he was an active IPSC pistol shooter, so exposed to short-range lead splash.

Pass the venison, please.

maximus otter

You might have a read of this, re the correlation between lead and other metals and Leukaemia.

You are commenting that 200 Micro grams are the threshold levels. Micro grams is one millionth of a gram.

In this paper the high correlation between occurs an average of 25 Nano Mols per litre of blood. Nano is a one billionth. See Table 2

Molecular weight of lead is 208 g/mol - ie 208 nano mols per litre is equivalent to 1 nano gram per litre or 0.001 micro gram compared to the 200 micro gram you cite.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajh.25731

This base paper has stimulated a lot of major work into the effects of lead on health, and use of drugs to remove these very low levels of lead.

There needs to be amongst medics / healthcare agencies a complete recalibration of acceptable levels of lead for a healthy life. Albeit the World Health Organisation states there is no acceptable levels.

 

[Apthorpe]

Molecular weight of lead is 208 g/mol - ie 208 nano mols per litre is equivalent to 1 nano gram per litre or 0.001 micro gram compared to the 200 micro gram you cite.

Imcorrect. 1 nano mol per litre is 208 nanograms or 0.208 micrograms per litre.
Besides which Maximus Otter was directly quoting your own source. If you disagree with yourself, it might be better for you to resolve that disagreement prior to posting criticisms of the contents of your own posts?

 

[Chris Richardson]

Imcorrect. 1 nano mol per litre is 208 nanograms or 0.208 micrograms per litre.
Besides which Maximus Otter was directly quoting your own source. If you disagree with yourself, it might be better for you to resolve that disagreement prior to posting criticisms of the contents of your own posts?

oh dear ........

 

[tackb]

“A limitation of the present pilot study may be that hobbies other than hunting and shooting sports, e.g. stained glass or ceramics, or residential and workplace proximity to potential sources of lead were not included.

Also smoking as a potential contributor to blood lead levels was not assessed...

In conclusion, concentration of lead in blood was significantly higher in game meat consumers compared to study participants consuming no game meat. Additionally, in study participants with no game meat consumption, blood lead concentration was significantly higher in those who perform active hunting as well as shooting.

However, overall differences in lead blood concentrations were very low and mostly below the biological tolerance value of 200 µg·L− 1.”

Of the people sampled, only one had a blood lead level higher than the biological tolerance value of 200 µg·L− 1, and he was an active IPSC pistol shooter, so exposed to short-range lead splash.

Pass the venison, please.

maximus otter

IPSC pistol shooting won’t be an issue here in the UK sadly

 

[Tim.243]

any evidence of illness in said hunters that can be proven from eating lead shot game ? it says in the study that smoking can cause elevated lead levels which they dont account for too.....

Him and the basc bloke give me a headache does that count ?

 

[Tim.243]

IPSC pistol shooting won’t be an issue here in the UK sadly

Good to here, put them all in the bin lol

 

[timbrayford]

No evidence of any clinical symptoms in the study group directly attributable from eating lead shot game it would appear.

 

[HonestJohn]

Why don’t you boys just..

 

[HonestJohn]

That’s @Mungo in the picture of course, Matt Hazard

 

[WW.]

Shows are markedly higher levels of lead in the blood of German hunters who regularly eat lead shot game meat.

Now I appreciate that many believe the genetic make up of UK hunters is very different to that of Germans so this research doesn’t apply.

Others may be more interested in it

Influence of Ingestion of Game Meat on Blood Concentration of Lead in Southern Germany: A Pilot Study - PMC

Consumption of game meat may exert additional lead exposure with potential health risks. The purpose of the present pilot study was to determine blood lead concentration in game meat and no game meat consumers in southern Germany. Concentration of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Of the 74 non game consumers, 2 were hunters. Of the 190 game consumers, 164 were hunters of which almost all used lead ammunition.

This study is unable to differentiate between whether the higher lead is because they ate game or because they were hunters. Given that it's been shown that the biggest risk to shooters from lead is inhalation of vapours from firing, the conclusions drawn by the study are highly questionable. This is really poor science and that's before we get onto comparison of group sizes.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Interesting study and thread.
I wonder if the results are perhaps skewed by those game shooting participants who also attend range days, some of which may be indoors?

 

[Foxyboy43]

Interesting study and thread.
I wonder if the results are perhaps skewed by those game shooting participants who also attend range days, some of which may be indoors?

I well remember maybe 15 years ago shooting full bore pistol on an indoor range - even with a high performance extraction system you had to blow your nose on leaving - the contents of the tissue had to be seen to be believed…..

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Him and the basc bloke give me a headache does that count ?

The OP is an update on some science. It is what it is. There is a continual growing understanding of the health risks from regularly eating lead shot game, especially for pregnant women and children, and it's your choice whether to eat lead shot game or not. As is your lifestyle choice for many other things to eat or drink. Eating game meat containing lead levels that exceed agreed safe levels set for other meats on the market will unlikely result in acute lead poisoning but the lifetime buildup could increase the likelihood of some cancers developing as per the science on what happens from having elevated levels of lead in your system. Same with many other things we eat or drink. Hunters, including on this forum are moving away from lead ammunition for various reasons. UK and EU restrictions are in the pipeline. With all that in mind why would you suffer headaches from reading updates on all of this? It's just some science.

 

[timbrayford]

The OP is an update on some science. It is what it is. There is a continual growing understanding of the health risks from regularly eating lead shot game, especially for pregnant women and children, and it's your choice whether to eat lead shot game or not. As is your lifestyle choice for many other things to eat or drink. Eating game meat containing lead levels that exceed agreed safe levels set for other meats on the market will unlikely result in acute lead poisoning but the lifetime buildup could increase the likelihood of some cancers developing as per the science on what happens from having elevated levels of lead in your system. Same with many other things we eat or drink. Hunters, including on this forum are moving away from lead ammunition for various reasons. UK and EU restrictions are in the pipeline. With all that in mind why would you suffer headaches from reading updates on all of this? It's just some science.

I agree Conor, it is a matter of choice.
Although we do seem to be inundated by control freak middle class lefties who want to ban the things that we eat, be it free range eggs, unpasteurised milk and cheeses, beef on the bone, red meat, to name but a few. In fact with the Greens/LibDems apparently any meat!
My choice is to carry on as I have before and to oppose banning things in the first place!

 

[Chris Richardson]

The OP is an update on some science. It is what it is. There is a continual growing understanding of the health risks from regularly eating lead shot game, especially for pregnant women and children, and it's your choice whether to eat lead shot game or not. As is your lifestyle choice for many other things to eat or drink. Eating game meat containing lead levels that exceed agreed safe levels set for other meats on the market will unlikely result in acute lead poisoning but the lifetime buildup could increase the likelihood of some cancers developing as per the science on what happens from having elevated levels of lead in your system. Same with many other things we eat or drink. Hunters, including on this forum are moving away from lead ammunition for various reasons. UK and EU restrictions are in the pipeline. With all that in mind why would you suffer headaches from reading updates on all of this? It's just some science.

Aren’t you against a lead ban ?

 

[Chris Richardson]

it would seem that this thread hasn’t gone your way @Heym SR20

 

[Mungo]

That’s @Mungo in the picture of course, Matt Hazard

???

I don’t understand