German Study on eating lead shot game

[Sol]

First, there's really not much difference shown by this study between the two groups.

Second, I suspect absorption from ingested lead depends on surface area per mass - so a pellet of No6 is likely be markedly-less problematic than the same mass of lead (or less, even) in itsy-bitsy, teeny-weeny fragments in the shoulder-meat of deer killed with high-velocity fragmenting bullet.

But then - who would not discard the meat from around such a bullet-strike?

Yes very much so, smaller partials would be easier absorbed but In reality how many of those are say within 2" of the shot site what for many of us, we would have no real issue trimming away.

I know there has been cases of fragmentation ending up in the haunches but in reality how often is that happening? I might not be an expert but I'd have to imagine the fragmentation of hitting bone, and hitting meat differs greatly as well.

Its pretty obvious on the carcass when a bullet travels behind the shoulder between both ribs without nicking them how clean and undamaged it is, hitting rib or shoulder on the otherhand Its minced and I wouldn't be surprised if fragments go well beyond the shot site.

Obviously as well that fragmentation Is also shared across an entire carcass, probably across several people eating it (10-40kgs of meat, dependant on the animal/species)
On the other hand I would imagine pheasant with the amount of lead that hits them actually has more lead particles (plus the bonus of accidently eating a BB too) per meat ratio what's likely to be spread around less people than venison for example.

 

[Bowland blades]

it’s dead lead or copper makes no difference to us, both lead and copper are toxic

Lead shot fallow loin this evening and bloody lovely it way too

And water is toxic - its all about the dose ! We still fit copper pipes and yet we have removed lead wherever we find it

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

The issue is that lead based bullets disperse tiny fragments of lead throughout the carcass that you won’t see. It’s well Documented that fragments from even chest shot deer can end up in the saddle and further afield. With copper, as they don’t leave anything behind, you know that whilst there May be bloodshot meat, there’s no material left behind as they retain around 96-98% weight

I personally think you lt flapping too much!

you or your family are not going to curl you toes up after eating lead shot venison, neither is my family or have the millions of hunters who have gone before us.

This is just a thick blanket of thrown over us to tweak the thumb screws harder

 

[timbrayford]

Quick question to everyone, if you had the choice between consuming and serving to your family/kids, lead shot game or non-toxic, what would you opt for?

We are country folk, we aren't leftie Guardian reading urban wimps so we don't bother with all that do-gooding bull ****!

 

[Apthorpe]

Quick question to everyone, if you had the choice between consuming and serving to your family/kids, lead shot game or non-toxic, what would you opt for?

My family all eat lead shot game. There is no significant difference - neither type of food is toxic. That is why the Food Safety Agency doesn't prohibit one sort or the other.

 

[sauer]

No one knows... I dont think long term studies have been done but its been put forward thst lead Ingestion in long term may contribute to likesnof alzheimers parkinson disease etc ...

But then you could say same about old school amalgam filling if you have a go full of it from a young age

Basically lead is toxic....we know this


Paul

 

[HonestJohn]

We are country folk, we aren't leftie Guardian reading urban wimps so we don't bother with all that do-gooding bull ****!

But you won’t eat farmed meat with antibiotics and artificial hormone growth enhancements because it’s BAD, but you’re a tough country guy, so eating lead is fine

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

But you won’t eat farmed meat with antibiotics and artificial hormone growth enhancements because it’s BAD, but you’re a tough country guy, so eating lead is fine

My Christ, where did you come up with all that bull**** from?

You very clearly have little or no knowledge of modern day farming practices, this
is not the US!

Don’t go on that subject I can blow you right out of the water with your very clear lack of knowledge on that subject!

 

[Tim.243]

But you won’t eat farmed meat with antibiotics and artificial hormone growth enhancements because it’s BAD, but you’re a tough country guy, so eating lead is fine

Most of the nation eat treated meat Peter, any packet product is far from being "all meat"

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Most of the nation eat treated meat Peter, any packet product is far from being "all meat"

Incorrect!

 

[Tim.243]

Incorrect!

it it lee I will stand corrected...

 

[Apthorpe]

But you won’t eat farmed meat with antibiotics and artificial hormone growth enhancements because it’s BAD, but you’re a tough country guy, so eating lead is fine

Antibiotics and artificial hotmones are proven to cause actual harm. Lead shot game is not. That is why the former category is banned and the latter is not. There is no need to be more persistently obtuse than nature requires.

 

[Buchan]

But you won’t eat farmed meat with antibiotics and artificial hormone growth enhancements because it’s BAD, but you’re a tough country guy, so eating lead is fine

No hormones treated meat in the UK. Minimal antibiotic residue in the UK due to drug withdrawal times

 

[20ppc]

oh dear ........

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

Antibiotics and artificial hotmones are proven to cause actual harm. Lead shot game is not. That is why the former category is banned and the latter is not. There is no need to be more persistently obtuse than nature requires.

My understanding is that it is routine use of antibiotics that is banned for farm animals.

https://www.ciwf.org.uk/news/new-law-banning-routine-use-of-farm-antibiotics-has-major-weaknesses/

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

My family all eat lead shot game. There is no significant difference - neither type of food is toxic. That is why the Food Safety Agency doesn't prohibit one sort or the other.

The FSA has no advice on alternatives to lead ammunition. Here is the FSA advice on lead ammunition:

Lead-shot game

Consuming lead is harmful, health experts advise to minimise lead consumption as much as possible. Anyone who eats lead-shot game should be aware of the risks posed by consuming large amounts of lead, especially children and pregnant women.

www.food.gov.uk

Exercpts:

"There is no agreed safe level for lead intake. Independent scientific expert groups advise that exposure to lead should be reduced as far as possible."

"Consuming lead is harmful, health experts advise to minimise lead consumption as much as possible. Anyone who eats lead-shot game should be aware of the risks posed by consuming large amounts of lead, especially children and pregnant women."

 

[Apthorpe]

Thank you for your comments which add precisely nothing in the way of useful information.

 

[Apthorpe]

The FSA has no advice on alternatives to lead ammunition. Here is the FSA advice on lead ammunition:

Lead-shot game

Consuming lead is harmful, health experts advise to minimise lead consumption as much as possible. Anyone who eats lead-shot game should be aware of the risks posed by consuming large amounts of lead, especially children and pregnant women.

www.food.gov.uk

Exercpts:

"There is no agreed safe level for lead intake. Independent scientific expert groups advise that exposure to lead should be reduced as far as possible."

"Consuming lead is harmful, health experts advise to minimise lead consumption as much as possible. Anyone who eats lead-shot game should be aware of the risks posed by consuming large amounts of lead, especially children and pregnant women."

BTW, isn't your job.to encourage greater consumption of game, not less? All game meat is healthier than the alternative. Better for the environment too.

 

[Whitefront]

All game meat is healthier than the alternative.

Perhaps not when contaminated with a neurotoxin....

 

[timbrayford]

No one knows... I dont think long term studies have been done but its been put forward thst lead Ingestion in long term may contribute to likesnof alzheimers parkinson disease etc ...

But then you could say same about old school amalgam filling if you have a go full of it from a young age

Basically lead is toxic....we know this


Paul

Not exactly cymag though is it?