hairybiker
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Sorry, I'm with biggav30 - that's someone's pet you're talking about. Get a life and train your dog properly before someone takes exception to it and feeds it something terminal.
German Wire Hair Pointer V Cats
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Cut+Squirt
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My original post, if you took the time to read it properly was enquiring if the dislike to cats show by my GWP was a trait that presented itself in other site members GWP's. I fail to see in any of my posts on this site where I admit to either liking or disliking cats. As it happens I'm not to keen on them simply because they crap all over my garden which my Son plays in. I'm not against giving them a good squirt with the garden hose, but don't condone harming them in any way.
As for ''that's someones pet you talking about''................I can only assume you mistakenly read GAT as CAT...................the vast majority of members i'm sure will be aware a 'GAT gun' was a low powered air pistol that shot corks, yes you read correctly CORKS!
Finally - the very reason for my initial post was because I am aware that my dog has a training need and I was researching and seeking advice from other site members before trying to tackle it.
It becomes a sorry state of affairs when you cant ask a simple question without some idiot jumping to conclusions and pitching in their worthless tuppence worth.
So unlike 'hairybiker' if anyone else has any futher advice or comments OF VALUE please feel free to continue the thread before it collapses into the usual slagging matches.
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CADEX
hairybiker
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Oh, I've read it and the rest of the post and stand by my reply. Perhaps you'd like to explain your response to biggav30's post? Why the comment about a GAT gun, and yes I do know what one is.
I also take exception to being called an 'idiot'.
I also take exception to being called an 'idiot'.
Cut+Squirt
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Biggav30 is my BROTHER we are taking the **** out of one another..............you know a bit of fun...........we used to shoot each other with a GAT gun and corks when we were kids.
hairybiker
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I guess that explains that then!
Thar
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If the cat means that much to them then they should train it to keep out of other people’s gardens, if I let my dog wander about unattended and cr#p in my neighbors garden there would be hell to play, and quite rightly so. Just because it is a cat not a dog makes no difference, seeing you advocate killing a dog because it is not trained properly I am sure you would support the same for something terminal happening to a cat because the owner couldn’t train it?
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Tahr
hairybiker
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Thar (or is it Tahr) big deal, something craps in your garden - no reason for tormenting or killing it. Why this pathetic persecution of cats? I was brought up in a family that delighted in our dog chasing them out of the garden. My wife has educated me in their attraction and I strongly oppose their persecution. If our pet was killed by someones mutt it would suffer the consequences. I have only trod in cat shite once as opposed to the countless occasions of wearing dog shite whilst out walking/running/mtbing.
Hairybiker If you like your pet so much why not keep it in the house and talk it for walks! Like responsible owners do with their dogs. I'm not talking about the inconvinience of **** in my garden, more the destruction of the wildlife in my vicinity because you just let your cats wander where they like. If you want your cat to be safe then look after it
hairybiker
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Hey Dickyboy and what would you know about how I treat my pet?
Well you clearly have thought about killing another persons dog(by writing it you have thought it, even if only hyothetically) for killing your cats etc, therefore I assume you let them out and they have the opportunity......either that or you should not worry about some dog killing yur pe
hairybiker
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You know what they say about assume - or perhaps you don't?
Thar
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It can be Thar or Tahr, in the first instance Thar was used to name the animal, but in latter years it was thought that this translation of the name was incorrect and the animal’s name should be spelt and Tahr. Which is coming more excepted as the correct spelling, language like a lot of thing is constantly evolving.
I have not been advocating the tormenting of cats or killing of cats, in fact if you read my post you will see that I trained my GWP not to chase cats, and most on here I am sure will intervene to stop their dogs killing a cat. Now if a dog does kill your cat who is responsible for it? Is it the dog? Or the person that trained it? If it is the owner that was responsible then do you advocate taking that person life because a dog they were responsible for killed you much loved pet? Do you think the owner of the cat has any responsibility? Or is it OK to turn them out and let them do as they please? But if anything happens to it then it is somebodys/somethings else fault and they will have to bear all the consequences of this?
Of cause you completely ignore that they kill 500 million small mammals and birds a year, including song birds and rare animals, what about the cat killing pheasant poults is the game keeper in his right to kill the cat that is robbing him of his livelihood, or should he just turn a blind eye? Or does he by you own ethics have the right to feed it something terminal to use your own words?
Looking at it in a purely commercial sense the value of a trained deer dog and a cat the dog will have a far getter intrinsic value in almost all cases, it takes 3 years to fully train a HPR, the owner will have spent much time and effort in doing this even if he has skimped on the cat aversion training, what value could you put on this investment? Looking at the cat what time will have been spent on that other than petting it? Is the death of a trained dog equal to the death of a cat?
My GWP caught a cat in her kennel eating her food; she was heavily in pup at that point and no doubt would not want any other predators around as she would quite rightly see them as a threat to her new born. If she had killed the cat did she deserve to die? Would it be right for two people to morn the death of two loved pets and all the unborn pups?
I think it would be fair to say that for most dog owners on here if there dog killed a cat it would be a unfortunate accident not a premeditated act, unlike you own threaten course of action, does the dog and or it owner deserve to be feed something terminal because of a accident?
As for crap, for the most part dog owner make the effort to clean up after there dogs, how many cat owners make the effort, now I run and cycle regularly 4 runs and one bike ride in the last 7 days, so I know about dog crap and to be honest I can remember stepping in it once in the past 2 years, if you are doing so more than this try looking were you are going.
If you were not a regular member of the site I would have thought that you post had been deliberately confrontational and aimed to upset a lot of the dog owners on this site. At the end of the day it is down to being responsible for the pets we own, dog owner are for the most part, for the most part cat owner just install a cat flap and let them do what the hell they like, who is at fault here?
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Tahr
hairybiker
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Final comment on my part - unfortunately there are a number of dog owners who seem to delight in their pets chasing cats and if the cat ends up dead, so what? Coupled with the deliberate cruelty meted out by morons, whether it be giving some trusting cat a swift kick or far worse involving fireworks or even fire.
Although it may not seem like it as they are often left to go about their own business, a lot of the moggies roaming around are dearly loved by someone.
No I did not set out to be deliberately confrontational, I just cannot abide any of this persecution.
And as far as training one is concerned, good luck - I can't say I've had too much success. Don't they always say that cats train their owners, not the other way round?
Yes, unfortunately they are a formidable predator - they have also been around our homes since Egyptian times so I can't see anything changing soon.
Apologies for any offence.
Although it may not seem like it as they are often left to go about their own business, a lot of the moggies roaming around are dearly loved by someone.
No I did not set out to be deliberately confrontational, I just cannot abide any of this persecution.
And as far as training one is concerned, good luck - I can't say I've had too much success. Don't they always say that cats train their owners, not the other way round?
Yes, unfortunately they are a formidable predator - they have also been around our homes since Egyptian times so I can't see anything changing soon.
Apologies for any offence.
Thar
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Apologies accepted, no offence taken.
My own view is that if you are a cat owner and you cat becomes victim to an accident as opposed to a deliberate act of cruelty, then you just have to accept this loss as hard as it may be as part and parcel of cat ownership. If this loss would be too much for you to handle then should you be a cat owner?
I accept that there is a risk that my dog might be killed when tackling a big wounded stag, it would brake my heart to carry her off the hill in such circumstances, but I know that her raison-d’etre is to hunt especially deer.. I of cause am careful not to expose her to undue risk but some risk is unavoidable or I could make a mistake. As a very good farmer friend said to me when I a young chap, if you want to be involved with live stock you better get use to dead stock. May be something simlar is appropriate when you own a cat?
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Tahr
My own view is that if you are a cat owner and you cat becomes victim to an accident as opposed to a deliberate act of cruelty, then you just have to accept this loss as hard as it may be as part and parcel of cat ownership. If this loss would be too much for you to handle then should you be a cat owner?
I accept that there is a risk that my dog might be killed when tackling a big wounded stag, it would brake my heart to carry her off the hill in such circumstances, but I know that her raison-d’etre is to hunt especially deer.. I of cause am careful not to expose her to undue risk but some risk is unavoidable or I could make a mistake. As a very good farmer friend said to me when I a young chap, if you want to be involved with live stock you better get use to dead stock. May be something simlar is appropriate when you own a cat?
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Tahr
+1 there mate
Hairybiker there is a significant difference between a dog catching a cat in any of the examples talked about here and deliberate persecution. Cruelty by means of fireworks etc is an entirely different matter and no-one had gone anywhere near even talking of anything that deliberately cruel, untill you talked of pre meditated poisoning of others dogs. You sunk to the same lows as the scum that do cause cruelty, if someone was to set fire etc to your cat I would be right there with you to give the people concerned a kicking. But to threaten to poison a dog is awfully cruel in itself.
So on my part offence was taken, I do not condone any cruelty to any animal. Accidents may happen, poisoning is no accident
So on my part offence was taken, I do not condone any cruelty to any animal. Accidents may happen, poisoning is no accident
Its all gone a bit off track , my point was if you cant rain a dog not to chase you cant train a dog . As for cats , they are a seriouse song bird predator , i think a responsable owner could take steps to avoid this by keeping them in at nights , fitting them with reflective collars with bells on . As a keeper i dont condone any acts of cruelty , to cats or dogs , and as we all know if a cat goes missing all eyes fall on the keeper . Anyone whishing to control cats should be aware pet cats are someones property and to kill one is an offence , willfull destruction of property , and limit you efforts to feral cats
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