HWV vs GWP

@Totsy I've got one of those 😂
Just turned a year and weighs around 40kg now and still filling out 🤦mrs trying to get a before and after - 8 weeks to a year old

@Bowland blades keep your labs, I wanted a dog that was going to test me and push my patience 😂 I certainly got that. I had GSD's prior and frankly, a lab just wouldn't do it for me. I just find them so boring.

As with the rest of the advice already on here, get the basics down and they already know the rest! Recall, recall, recall. Once that was nailed for 99 percent of the time, the rest came naturally and he just got on with his job.
@NigelM another thank you for taking the time to have a conversation with me before I pulled the trigger on one so to speak!

Last picture was end of Feb, dragged the doe off a banking, in to a gulley and out of it without any encouragement... Then a 'gentle' shake to make sure it was definitely dead
Nice looking pup :)
 
Trust me a modern Lab splashed all over with red on the pedigree just wont ever create boredom but yes they are not much of a gamble regards ending up with a real asset
I started the thread to give people an honest opinion and try to be helpful to those trying to decide between the breeds. Most of the feedback has been really helpful and helped those thinking about it build a picture of what they might expect.

If you want Labs, good on you. Nothing wrong with a Lab. But please don't try to ram your opinion down everyone elses throat. They don't suit everyone.
 
I started the thread to give people an honest opinion and try to be helpful to those trying to decide between the breeds. Most of the feedback has been really helpful and helped those thinking about it build a picture of what they might expect.

If you want Labs, good on you. Nothing wrong with a Lab. But please don't try to ram your opinion down everyone elses throat. They don't suit everyone.
And i am pushing my opinions eh ? LOL ! Just saying when we talk popular choice dogs for deer work Labs are up at the top and its a fair bet they hold the most used on deer title . I think with all the other pole positions they work in , its hardly surprising .
Its an individual want a challenge all good with me, its just i prefer to not be out with " challenging dogs "
 
I've been thinking of what HPR to go for next, and as I currently have 2 GSPs I wanted to try something less anxious. So have been watching some nice dogs the last few years while out counting and this year during spring counts a GWP got confirmed in whelp so going for one of them.. Looking forward to it but not sure I'm ready for a young HPR, had 2 labs since my GSPs were pups which has spoilt me a bit
 
I've been thinking of what HPR to go for next, and as I currently have 2 GSPs I wanted to try something less anxious. So have been watching some nice dogs the last few years while out counting and this year during spring counts a GWP got confirmed in whelp so going for one of them.. Looking forward to it but not sure I'm ready for a young HPR, had 2 labs since my GSPs were pups which has spoilt me a bit
Best of luck. Hard work but very rewarding.
 
Having spent the past 9 years with a fantastic HWV I lost him in October and got a GWP.

My reasoning for wanting to change breeds was mainly based on the fact that I wanted a slightly more confident dog - the HWV was always a little nervous around other people and other dogs. I was also after a breed that was a little more hardy to cold and wet weather as the HWV really didn't like it. The rest of the traits of the HWV I loved, the nature, the pointing of feather and fur, the tracking ability, he was a true all-rounder.

So I took the plunge and the pup is now nearly 10 months old. He's from primarily Danish lines, having Bryantscroft, Mustwork and Trudvang in his pedigree.

He's definitely been more of a handful than the Vizsla so far. He doesn't have an off switch spending his entire time like a coiled spring. In the house, around the other dogs and people he doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body. The wife's 5 year old cockerpoo is the boss and the german loves nothing more than a cuddle with anyone prepared to give him one, stranger or not. He's as velcro as the Vizsla as far as I'm concerned, always needing to be by my side and pining as soon as he's left. From this point of view he is very similar to the HWV, just a larger turbo charged version.

Get him outside and he's on a different level. The HWV was very easy to train as he was relatively calm, intelligent and keen to please me. He did have a good prey drive but it was very controllable. He got bored of dummies but did enough to get the message and know what was expected when the real thing was put in front of him. The German's prey drive is off the scale. I'm spending an inordinate amount of training time just stopping him from chasing. He wants to kill everything. Squirrels are a favourite sport. He's now half under control but it's taken some time. As soon as we enter woodland he drops 6" onto his haunches and stalks rather than walks. Any movement and he's on point until he knows what caused the movement and then continues stalking. If I can reliably harness this trait he will be one hell of a weapon out stalking but it's hard work, 4 sessions a day trying to harness it. If I didn't work from home it would be very difficult.

He is as intelligent as the HWV, picking up things very quickly, but easily bored and with a much shorter attention span. It's almost a case of teenage cockyness - OK, you've shown me once, Ive got it, now let's go do something more exciting. I'm constantly trying to keep training different and exciting just to keep him focussed. Given the opportunity he would rather charge around like a prat and play the jester, or go and hunt squirrels.

Have I got what I expected? So far the German is very similar to the HWV in most ways and I have answered my two faults of the HWV, he's certainly more laid back, less highly strung and doesn't give a monkeys about rain and cold. The degree of his prey drive has surprised me which will be great if harnessed but could easily become an issue if not and I think he's going to take much longer to mature than the HWV.

The car analogy is probably a good one. If an HWV is an BMW then the GWP is a Ferrari. Not as comfortable but ultimately more capable if you can drive it properly. Not for anyone who has just got their licence.

Hope this helps anyone considering their options as far as these two breeds are concerned.


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You can train Gwp’s to do anything. This includes, being calm, having an instant on/off switch, ignoring squirrels (or anything else,) and harnessing the prey drive and the mental/physical drive.
Do these things and you have a dog that performs like a Ferrari when you want (but breaks down less) and is as easy to drive as a ford focus.
 
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