God I hope not

Well i have to say that I am greatly relieved. The best of a poor selection have "pulled it off" and with a good majority. I agree that Boris can be a bit of a bafoon, I still can not get the image out of my mind when he was left hanging from the overhead zip wire looking like Mary Poppins without her umbrella, but at least Boris has made a fair bit of "head way" with Brexit and he was/is the best option to get the job done!
 
I am a democrat and believe that the referendum should be upheld but with such a majority the Tories can do what they like and if I were a Brexitier I would not be celebrating too much until I see the final deal.

More remainer delusion echoed across all the news channels: Boris doesn't need the Brexiteers anymore. He will root out the ERG and go for the softest of soft Brexits.

Wishful thinking. You seem to forget that Boris gained his majority from Labour leavers. He acknowledged the fact in his acceptance speech, thanking Labour heartlands for "lending" him their vote. He knows damn well that if he betrays them his will be a one term premiership and he'll be out at the next election. Johnson is looking to be a one-term wonder; he's looking at tens years of government and one of his primary objectives as a one-nation Tory is for the Conservatives to replace Labour as the party of the working class. He isn't going to do that by sticking his finger up to the very people who have just put him in office.
 
You really think we are leaving the EU. Lol
We will stay, except in name, will still be tethered to them, still pay a fortune, and still not have total control.
We also wont get back all that the EU has used our money to steal from us.

It may be the only sensible outcome for the election, but its still a very sad day for the UK.
Democracy finally died this day in 2019, after a long and painful battle for survival.

Neil. :confused:
 
Not sure the 1:3 children who will spend Christmas in poverty would agree. Another 5 years of Austerity might just finish them off.

The SMC measure sets a poverty threshold of 55% of median total available resources – in effect creating a poverty line relative to what the median family has available to spend. A key principle of the measure is that poverty “should be related to the extent to which people have the resources to engage adequately in a life regarded as the norm in society”.

In effect, 4.5 million kids are in the population with 55% or less of median total available resources.

The UK is in the top 25 richest countries per capita in the world with roughly 45,000 international dollars per capita. 55% median is 25,000 int dollars.

Taking a couple of countries 30th from bottom of the list (Yemen/ Rwanda) with roughly 2,500 international dollars per capita 55% median is 1,400 int dollars.

International poverty definitions are a sliding rule that automatically ropes in those with 55% or less of available resources. As the country get richer, the median moves up, the 'poverty' line moves, you still rope in roughly the same number of people/ kids.

I'd suggest that Yemen and Rwandan kids know what poverty is.

I'd also suggest that there are kids in the UK that know poverty. But its not 4.5 million or 1 in 3. And I suspect the only thing likely to 'finish off' most of the 4.5 million of the kids in the UK I supposed poverty will be childhood obesity or lack of exercise sat in front of their Xboxes. Not the austerity caused by the labour idiots who brought the countries finances to its knees.

The whole poverty debate continues to feed great headlines for the Daily Mirror though.
 
Sad to see we are still being partisan and not concentrating on what needs doing. The BBC this morning interviewed a 'disillusioned' tory voter, a corbynite and a rampant Scot Nat. The first to espouse labour policies and say she didnt want to vote tory until the last minute, labour voter in denial suggesting Brexit an election decider (this after a national referendum confirming it - hard not to expect backlash) and Scot Nat saying we have the right to determine our own future.
All thanks to the BBC and its 'unbiased' presenter Emily Maitland - at least Kunesberg is now reaping wha she sowed - hopefully she will be sacked.
I agree the Scots have the right to determine their own future So do we the English and Welsh. Leave Europe, let the Scots leave by a universal referendum inc Wales and England.
I am truly tired of the Scots. I wanted us all to be content in a union with no primus interpares but having witnessed Scots racism (against English) and knowing the extent of it, I no longer think of the Scots as Partners, nor do I want to support them, at least those who remain in Scotland.
 
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I agree the Scots have the right to determine their own future So do we the English and Welsh. Leave Europe, let the Scots leave by a universal referendum inc Wales and England.
I am truly tired of the Scots. I wanted us all to be content in a union with no primus interpares but having witnessed Scots racism (against English) and knowing the extent of it, I no longer think of the Scots as Partners, nor do I want to support them, at least those who remain in Scotland.
I know what you mean. But it is also true that the majority of Scots are not anti-English racists. They're not all nationalists either and two out of five of them voted to leave the EU. We do have a lot of friends up there (and a lot of them living with us down here) and it would be very sad to lose them because of a handful of discontents whipped up by a mad hate-driven pixie.
 
Sad to see we are still being partisan and not concentrating on what needs doing. The BBC this morning interviewed a 'disillusioned' tory voter, a corbynite and a rampant Scot Nat. The first to espouse labour policies and say she didnt want to vote tory until the last minute, labour voter in denial suggesting Brexit an election decider (this after a national referendum confirming it - hard not to expect backlash) and Scot Nat saying we have the right to determine our own future.
All thanks to the BBC and its 'unbiased' presenter Emily Maitland - at least Kunesberg is now reaping wha she sowed - hopefully she will be sacked.
I agree the Scots have the right to determine their own future So do we the English and Welsh. Leave Europe, let the Scots leave by a universal referendum inc Wales and England.
I am truly tired of the Scots. I wanted us all to be content in a union with no primus interpares but having witnessed Scots racism (against English) and knowing the extent of it, I no longer think of the Scots as Partners, nor do I want to support them, at least those who remain in Scotland.
The SNP do not speak for all Scots, though you’d be forgiven for thinking they do as they sure as hell act like they do. We have our racists, like any society. We also have people who could not stomach living here if they do gain independence. And those who wonder why Sturgeon appeared on more leaders debates than any other leader, despite not having any standing in the uk election.
Living in Scotland with so much controlled by the SNP is akin to a totalitarian state. It’s not pretty.
 
The SNP do not speak for all Scots, though you’d be forgiven for thinking they do as they sure as hell act like they do. We have our racists, like any society. We also have people who could not stomach living here if they do gain independence. And those who wonder why Sturgeon appeared on more leaders debates than any other leader, despite not having any standing in the uk election.
Living in Scotland with so much controlled by the SNP is akin to a totalitarian state. It’s not pretty.
Thanks for a view from the inside, its worth noting however that its hard to disassociate the population in general from the the politics they choose - although here in England/Wales most would accept that 'stability for a while and least worst,' characterised the choices south of the border.
 
The SNP do not speak for all Scots, though you’d be forgiven for thinking they do as they sure as hell act like they do. We have our racists, like any society. We also have people who could not stomach living here if they do gain independence. And those who wonder why Sturgeon appeared on more leaders debates than any other leader, despite not having any standing in the uk election.
Living in Scotland with so much controlled by the SNP is akin to a totalitarian state. It’s not pretty.
The SNP are not sitting nearly as pretty as the election results suggest nor as they would have us believe.
If Mary Doll pushes for an indie ref before Brexit is not only concluded but has fully bedded in on the ground, she will lose it. No matter what your heart might say, it would make no sense at all to vote to leave a post-EU UK without knowing what the new country is going to look like and how it's going to work in real life.

On the other hand, the SNP's abysmal record in government is starting to catch up with them. Their incompetence is starting to smell. It can't be politely ignored anymore and it can't be blamed on Westminster. If she goes too soon, her cause is doomed. Two noes will finish the matter. But if she is forced to wait too long, her bubble will burst and her party will start to slide. If Ruth Davidson hadn't flounced I think matters would look rather different in Scotland today.
 
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Thanks for a view from the inside, its worth noting however that its hard to disassociate the population in general from the the politics they choose - although here in England/Wales most would accept that 'stability for a while and least worst,' characterised the choices south of the border.
I get that. 45% voted SNP, though that delivered 81% of the seats and does rather distort the picture. I'd suspect many of the 60% who voted remain in Scotland in the brexit referendum also voted SNP as they were holding their previous position.
I'm looking forward to a robust defence of the union from the Conservative and Unionists. Meantime Sturgeon will happily fan the flames of resentment if another independence referendum is not approved by the 'toxic, tory cliff edge brexiters'.
In the interim, Salmond goes on trial for attempted rape, intent to rape and 12 other sex crimes against ten women when he was first minister. Sturgeons knowledge of those incidents and role in the aftermath will give us a good insight not only into our previous first ministers character but also Sturgeons.
As that plays out, and if indeed Brexit gets done and entry to the EU as a new independent socialist republic is on the cards, then we may well see the SNP star start to lose its shine.
Until then, they will continue bleating and blaming Westminster for a plague of ills which are never of the SNP's making of course, whilst happily propping the countries finances up with 85% of public expenditure paid for by the UK public purse via the Barnett formula. 20% more cash per head from the UK government than is spent in England.
Take away that 85% funding. Apply austerity controls for years/ decades until budget deficit is in line with EU's entry criteria. Then you are good to go.
(I'll have moved south well before then)
 
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When I hear kids in the UK are living in poverty I take a look round and laugh.
As a kid we only had our own pig, eggs and rabbits, a bit monotonous to say the least. Rationing was in force, socks with holes were darned as were sweaters etc. Underclothes were worn for a week and a bath was once a week.
A hole in your shoe sole was cured by a cardboard insert, now it's designer trainers.
This was not just my experience, it was that of 95% of all the kids both in villages and towns, and people wonder why I laugh at supposed child poverty in the UK.:lol:
 
When I hear kids in the UK are living in poverty I take a look round and laugh.
As a kid we only had our own pig, eggs and rabbits, a bit monotonous to say the least. Rationing was in force, socks with holes were darned as were sweaters etc. Underclothes were worn for a week and a bath was once a week.
And for me that weekly bath was a tepid one taken by the light of a paraffin lamp courtesy of the miner's strike and mass power cuts.
It's almost a shame that Magic Grandpa's kiddie-winkie followers won't get to experience that for themselves.
 
And for me that weekly bath was a tepid one taken by the light of a paraffin lamp courtesy of the miner's strike and mass power cuts.
It's almost a shame that Magic Grandpa's kiddie-winkie followers won't get to experience that for themselves.

You were lucky, I was last in a tin bath in front of fire. Before bed a thirty yard walk up the garden with a little Kelly lamp to the thunder box. Used to be real scary on a windy night as we had the Manor woods behind us.:oops:
 
Oh dear Your on your way to get Screwed again in the north this time its from within ,The cranky has just laid out her next moves to take you out of the UK , wonder if she still thinks that the cash Cow will still be there once the wire go's up from East to West ? mind you the Scottish bank notes look better than the English Pound but will they be worth as much :popcorn:
 
Sturgeon has just stated that the future of Scotland is purely in the hands of the Scottish, I think this is grossly unfair. The Welsh and the English should also have a say, because from what I constantly hear Independence is a given.
 
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