Got arrested this morning
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Triggermortis
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Bit confused here, if it’s unnecessary and won’t change how they react to a call how comes on every occasion they’ve had a call regarding me they’ve called me and avoided sending an ARV?
Rake Aboot
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If they receive a report they will come out, regardless of who they suspect it might be.
That’s from a copper, when I asked about the point of telling them I’d be out.
It’s a sad indictment that anyone with a gun is automatically suspicious. Having a gun is normal but our “ press and media” have worked the perfect hatchet job on us.
HDShark
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Probably is worth making a complaint over. They’ve likely tripped themselves up if they actually said you were under arrest on suspicion of possession of a firearm. They need to have reasonable belief that you are, have, or would commit a crime. Possession of a firearm obviously isn’t illegal if you’re a certificate holder, so they’d be hard pushed to argue it was a reasonable belief without any external suggestion that you were unlicensed.
I’d imagine the whole thing must have been very upsetting. I’ve been in a similar position, however, the officers were far more reasonable.
I’d imagine the whole thing must have been very upsetting. I’ve been in a similar position, however, the officers were far more reasonable.
Different forces must have different policies, There is 2 serving police officers who are very good friends of mine and live on the edge of the land I shoot on and they say differently
ColinJ
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A Constable only requires reasonable grounds to suspect (not believe). This can be based on information received.
Triggermortis
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Not true in Kent, whenever I have had a CAD number and a report has been made to them they have called me and on every occasion so far this has avoided attendance by an ARV.
HDShark
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You’re absolutely right, wrong wording. Point remains though, why would it be reasonable to suspect they were in illegal possession of a firearm?
A bit OTT I think.
I think a phone call to whichever organisation you belong to would be a good start.
Who is your MP? Might be worth arranging an appointment to see them.
I was stopped whilst out foxing a couple of weeks ago at 00.30.I noticed a car following me and I turned into one of my perms which has a big passing place on the end of the long drive. The car pulled up alongside me . So I got out and went over.
Unmarked patrol car. The police officer could not have been any more charming and polite. We had a brief chat and he even had a look at some foxs with my thermal. He was obviously fire arms trained. He hadn't done a PNC check. Didn't request sight of of my weapon
Completely civil encounter.
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I think a phone call to whichever organisation you belong to would be a good start.
Who is your MP? Might be worth arranging an appointment to see them.
I was stopped whilst out foxing a couple of weeks ago at 00.30.I noticed a car following me and I turned into one of my perms which has a big passing place on the end of the long drive. The car pulled up alongside me . So I got out and went over.
Unmarked patrol car. The police officer could not have been any more charming and polite. We had a brief chat and he even had a look at some foxs with my thermal. He was obviously fire arms trained. He hadn't done a PNC check. Didn't request sight of of my weapon
Completely civil encounter.
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Bo Diddley
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Totally agree... I'd be ringing in nearly every day
kenbro
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I think it does depend exactly what, the person who called in said to get that response.
it’s happened to a friend and I some years ago, police weren’t armed though.
They decided, after talking with us that the reporter (Riding school) w as being facetious and apoligised.
No offence taken.
Ken.
Armed trespass?
Bo Diddley
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A conversation lasting about 10 seconds would have told the response unit that the shooters were carrying out a completely lawful activity, with permission to be on the land, with no offence committed.
No need to arrest, detain or handcuff anyone in this situation, I wonder if any of those officers who arrived had an ounce of common sense between them.
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I agree, But the question was what other criminal activity could they be involved in?
Sadly I never thought to. They were very civil and I didn't blame them but I do blame a system that lets it happen. I guess the police will still have the footage and must have logged the incident. Is it something that one can legally request?I'm sure you could make a civil claim for unlawful arrest or detention, did you get every officer's shoulder number and request copies of all the body-worn video footage they took?
Can you tell I've watched plenty of YouTube auditing comedy videos
Was it the police's right to speculate when we had not actually done anything suspicious? Surely the presumption is that the citizen is innocent and if he is not acting suspiciously you let him carry on unmolested?
Difficult unless you were there, yes it could be dealt with quite quickly, however the op gives no time frame, the police act on information given, what was that information? (I've seen replies on here to falsely report the presence of a firearm to deal with poachers). Yes a PNC will confirm the owner has a FAC, how do they confirm ID of the driver? Firearms are normal to us, not so the general public.
From the op's series of events, my reading of it shows the police dealt with it professionally and efficiently. But I wasn't there
From the op's series of events, my reading of it shows the police dealt with it professionally and efficiently. But I wasn't there
Foxyboy43
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If any reasonable law-abiding shooter was out on a permission and was arrested and handcuffed on the strength of a phone call then I imagine they would be rather peeved too! No reasonable person can object to being challenged on occasion but in this case it certainly seems to be utterly excessive to be treated this way.
In thirty years of hunting and shooting in a very difficult time in Northern Ireland I was “challenged” three times - two were at gunpoint by some very young squaddies, one of whom - presumably the officer, was an absolute **** and cocked his Browning as he came up behind me presumably to show off to his brick of kids - but never was I treated like the Op. If I had I would have gone the distance to try and prevent it happening to anyone again - a little respect goes a long way….
In thirty years of hunting and shooting in a very difficult time in Northern Ireland I was “challenged” three times - two were at gunpoint by some very young squaddies, one of whom - presumably the officer, was an absolute **** and cocked his Browning as he came up behind me presumably to show off to his brick of kids - but never was I treated like the Op. If I had I would have gone the distance to try and prevent it happening to anyone again - a little respect goes a long way….
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