I thought I couldn't be on my own with this one.
Got arrested this morning
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nath_
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Surely if they have seen your vehicle, ran a check they can confirm you are an FAC holder. A quick call to confirm that it is you, followed by a much less dramatic scale of events would have been the more logical way for them to approach this situation. (Assuming they did indeed see your vehicle etc).
I’m 50/50 on this. It’s a very heavy handed approach, and could have been handled a lot better. Flip side is if I suspected illegal poaching I would expect a police response. However I would also expect a police response if my house was broken or my van stolen but I think we all know that wouldn’t happen. Strange old world we’re living in.
I’m 50/50 on this. It’s a very heavy handed approach, and could have been handled a lot better. Flip side is if I suspected illegal poaching I would expect a police response. However I would also expect a police response if my house was broken or my van stolen but I think we all know that wouldn’t happen. Strange old world we’re living in.
markj1
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Regarding the armed response unit, I imagine that they simply followed SOP, and that the 'weapons drawn' was part of the protocol for dealing with incidents where the presence of a firearm has been reported.
As I posted earlier, this is also the standard procedure for almost all police forces in the US, even when dealing with a member of the public who has a CCP and legally carries a gun, until the firearm has been secured.
Perhaps in the same way that placing a suspect in handcuffs when they are arrested is part of the standard process for UK police forces.
As I posted earlier, this is also the standard procedure for almost all police forces in the US, even when dealing with a member of the public who has a CCP and legally carries a gun, until the firearm has been secured.
Perhaps in the same way that placing a suspect in handcuffs when they are arrested is part of the standard process for UK police forces.
This definitely not SOP in Norway and certanly not in the US either. Hunters are routinely checked by game wardens there to make sure that they have the needed hunting licenses. If they had pointed guns in their faces, there would have been an uproar. And all hunters carry guns as a routine, when they hunt. All this nonsense are caused by letting hysteria becoming SOP...
It wasn't in Norway though, and both countries you mention have much more involvement in hunting and are less removed from it as a pass time
kenbro
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If an armed police person pointed a gun at you and told you to stay put, are you saying you’d walk away with a fcuck you?
Kb.
I would my self try to avoid breathing, if could. I would look at him as I would look at a drug crazed 12 year old pointing a gun at me. Try as good as I could to stay a live...
tackb
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i have had a loaded firearm pointed at me a few times over the years , once at a clay ground where i just packed up shooting skeet with that group and flatly refused to be within range of the guy who did it and a couple of times on driven shoots when i have been swung through , both times the offender was told in no uncertain terms his error and i also had a word with the shoot captain who sadly did not deal with this serial offender so i left the shoot.
one time in the 90's i was stopped at heathrow by a armed policeman stepping in front of my car and pointing an MP5 at me through the window (made my blood run cold) after a chat with his mate we ascertained it was my isuzu commercial 4x4 which was uncommon in the UK at the time but very popular in ireland and they were on high alert for car bombs at the time , so i guess i fitted the profile ?
i think in the OP's case the best thing to do or what i would do is pop to the station and have a chat about what happened, an awful lot can be solved by talking about stuff
one time in the 90's i was stopped at heathrow by a armed policeman stepping in front of my car and pointing an MP5 at me through the window (made my blood run cold) after a chat with his mate we ascertained it was my isuzu commercial 4x4 which was uncommon in the UK at the time but very popular in ireland and they were on high alert for car bombs at the time , so i guess i fitted the profile ?
i think in the OP's case the best thing to do or what i would do is pop to the station and have a chat about what happened, an awful lot can be solved by talking about stuff
markj1
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Probably not, but he won't be shot, either.
Benelli m2
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Jesus is this still going on
tackb
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we had all agreed to stop at post #223......
markj1
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When I used to work in West Africa, paramilitary police manning roadblocks were stopping cars for 'documents check' (read: expecting to be paid to let you go), and while they weren't deliberately pointing their guns at me, I always felt uncomfortable when the muzzle of the rusty Karl Gustaf m45 open-bolt(!) submachine gun hanging off the policeman's shoulders was practically shoved in my face as he leaned toward the car.
kenbro
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Don’t think anyone was suggesting he would be shot either.
Kb.
kieran222
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A lady recently reported me for Shooting on land without permission (which I had). It was last light and I could see her car stopped by my pick-up. She was there for quite a while, I was about to start a gralloch under head torch but turned the light off and waited for her to clear off.
I was surprised how long it took but two police officers (one was a feo) turned up at my house when I was at work about 10 days later. My wife called me at work and passed the phone over to the FEO. He asked if I had been Shooting in the area on that date, and what had I been using. He asked if I had permission, I said that I had and gave him the farmers phone no. He then called the farmer and that was the end of it.
The lady who phoned the police had a house in the area but didn't own any land. I think most of the reports that the police get are from busy bodies who have no ties with the land that they are reporting on.
In my case the police action was proportionate, unfortunately just some busybody poking their nose into someone else's business.
On the evening of the incident I couldn't see who she was and decided not to go over and explain the situation. I had an idea she was anti Shooting and didn't want any confrontation which can be more difficult to sort out with the police.
I was surprised how long it took but two police officers (one was a feo) turned up at my house when I was at work about 10 days later. My wife called me at work and passed the phone over to the FEO. He asked if I had been Shooting in the area on that date, and what had I been using. He asked if I had permission, I said that I had and gave him the farmers phone no. He then called the farmer and that was the end of it.
The lady who phoned the police had a house in the area but didn't own any land. I think most of the reports that the police get are from busy bodies who have no ties with the land that they are reporting on.
In my case the police action was proportionate, unfortunately just some busybody poking their nose into someone else's business.
On the evening of the incident I couldn't see who she was and decided not to go over and explain the situation. I had an idea she was anti Shooting and didn't want any confrontation which can be more difficult to sort out with the police.
I hope the police went back to her and informed her everything was in order.
Similar thing, Equatorial Guinea, Ak looking rifle on a string sling pointed in my face - very unnerving and enough to **** me off and tell him to get the f*cking thing out of my face as I wouldn’t trust any of them there.
It’s not a nice feeling at all and usually when the thumping noise stops in your chest you feel a bit sick.
bottletopbill
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No I am not a copper but who knows what they were told on the call.
We all know there are poachers out there with out a license and no respect for any thing.
Those officer's have family's to go home to.
So lets respect they even bothered to turn up.
We all know there are poachers out there with out a license and no respect for any thing.
Those officer's have family's to go home to.
So lets respect they even bothered to turn up.
nun_hunter
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I can't believe (actually I can as it's the SD) this has run for over 230 posts with wildly different opinions flying everywhere when the most important part of the situation is unknown. What was said to the police to prompt their response. Without this information it is completely impossible to state if the conduct of the officers and the response were justified or not.
Perspective from the other side is that the consequences of handcuffing a compliant and innocent person while ascertaining who they are and if they pose a threat, pale into significance to the consequences of not handcuffing someone you really should have. Those who found this out the hard way didn't listen to the wisdom of those before them.
Perspective from the other side is that the consequences of handcuffing a compliant and innocent person while ascertaining who they are and if they pose a threat, pale into significance to the consequences of not handcuffing someone you really should have. Those who found this out the hard way didn't listen to the wisdom of those before them.
enfieldspares
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LOL! I remember once driving with my wife up to Lagos from Benin City in her friend's car that she'd known since both were children. As he had a meeting there and gave us a ride. We got stopped just as described and the blokes ambled over to do their "document check".
My wife's friend pointed to the sticker in his windscreen "Edo State - Governor's Office" and then took out his work i.d. card and passed it over "XXX XXXX - Head of State Security Agency". That brought a quick end to that.
On another time, this time in State, we drove through a road block, slowly and didn't intend to stop. But had to as the car in front slowed and stopped. The fellows in charge came over and on seeing who was driving remarked "Even you are supposed to stop for us, Sir" with a few genuine on both sides.
I've always though found the stops not at all intimidating. Not was I ever directly asked for "dash" when if we were stopped. Buhari when he was President eventually stopped them all in that part of the country but I think they've now returned so I am told. I haven't been to Nigeria now since 2019.
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