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Triggermortis said:
How many times have I seen members on here deride the practice of getting a C.A.D number from the local force?
If this doesn’t clearly demonstrate the benefits of doing so then I don’t know what does.
On several occasions I’ve taken a call from police to check following a report they’ve had and it’s prevented an ARV unit having to attend.
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Sorry but cad numbers don,t work, as part of my job we informed police of all our activities, they always turned up, mob handed sometimes. One of the complaints was from the same person on a weekly basis, only after I insisted that the person was threatened with the charge of wasting police time, did it stop.
Once a armed responder informed me that he had spotted me from 300 mtrs away and that his partner had me covered, I informed him that I had seen him from a lot further and that’s why I had come towards him, once I pointed to my mate who was behind them both, standing by the truck, he realised his powers of observation were not that good, all ended well .
 
enfieldspares said:
LOL! I remember once driving with my wife up to Lagos from Benin City in her friend's car that she'd known since both were children. As he had a meeting there and gave us a ride. We got stopped just as described and the blokes ambled over to do their "document check".

My wife's friend pointed to the sticker in his windscreen "Edo State - Governor's Office" and then took out his work i.d. card and passed it over "XXX XXXX - Head of State Security Agency". That brought a quick end to that.

On another time, this time in State, we drove through a road block, slowly and didn't intend to stop. But had to as the car in front slowed and stopped. The fellows in charge came over and on seeing who was driving remarked "Even you are supposed to stop for us, Sir" with a few genuine on both sides.

I've always though found the stops not at all intimidating. Buhari when he was President eventually stopped them all in that part of the country but I think they've now returned so I am told. I haven't been to Nigeria now since 2019.
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Sadly I hear it’s gone downhill a lot since then - apparently the various insurgencies and the criminal gangs in the delta have kind of ‘joined up’ their geographical coverage so there’s not many chilled areas left.
 
63 said:
Sadly I hear it’s gone downhill a lot since then - apparently the various insurgencies and the criminal gangs in the delta have kind of ‘joined up’ their geographical coverage so there’s not many chilled areas left.
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Yes. My wife's sister flew just before Christmas from Lagos to Benin City rather than choose to use the road route.
 
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enfieldspares said:
...I've always though found the stops not at all intimidating. Not was I ever directly asked for "dash" when if we were stopped....
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No, they did not threaten you or asked for money upfront, they just took your papers and disappeared while one of them remained next to your car. He might then sigh and say "It's a hot day". If you offer him some money "to buy something cold to drink" then he'd signal to the others and your papers will be back immediately allowing you to proceed with your journey. if you ignored him, the papers check would last the better part of 30 minutes before you are allowed to go. It's your call....

Personally, my issue was more to do with their cavalier attitude towards firearms..... :doh:
 
I worked in Burundi for a few years and I’ve never seen so many AKs in the hands of uniformed officers, although I’m not entirely sure that they all had ammunition. There were frequent roadblocks and “document checks” to supplement low incomes and my most valuable possession was my Government Department identity badge which seemed to get us allowed to continue on our way unmolested. One of my most telling memories was when I arranged to meet a local contact in a busy downtown area after dark, when most foreigners were safely back in their hotels. I asked him how he would know me and he said “don’t worry, you’ll be the white man”!

With respect to the subject of the thread, things have changed in recent years. Only about 20 years ago I was on the way to go stalking with a couple of mates and we were in Pease Pottage services for coffee and a sandwich about 3 am wearing camo and with knives visible on our belts. A police patrol was also there doing much the same and barely raised an eyebrow when they saw us, just a polite enquiry about where we were stalking. Roll forward ten years and we couldn’t wear the knives openly, had to save most of the camo to put on later as anti-hunting members of the public were frequently expressing their feelings and being seen with a rifle sometimes resulted in a visit from a patrol, but never a full armed response, although these days it seems much more likely.
 
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markj1 said:
No, they did not threaten you or asked for money upfront, they just took your papers and disappeared while one of them remained next to your car. He might then sigh and say "It's a hot day". If you offer him some money "to buy something cold to drink" then he'd signal to the others and your papers will be back immediately allowing you to proceed with your journey. if you ignored him, the papers check would last the better part of 30 minutes before you are allowed to go. It's your call....

Personally, my issue was more to do with their cavalier attitude towards firearms..... :doh:
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That's interesting. In Nigeria from Lagos to Benin City or the other way I never had the pleasure of that. You never got stopped travelling with the independent minibuses companies such as, then, Iyare Motors, God is Good, Edegbe and similar. I had it a couple of times when the wife and I used a car and driver but I just used to get out and stretch my legs and leave the driver to sort it. One of the guys I remember having one of the old Browning A-5 shotguns. Five minutes later and you'd be away. You did though always get delays at Okopon where everything slowed down to a snail pace. Which the groundnut and plantain chip vendors took advantage of.
 
In Francophone west Africa they were much more blatant…the cops would just stick their head in the window and say ‘petite cadeau’ (little gift), very much a statement not a question, no messing about at all!
 
Is it just me? Is it a naive expectation that an armed response team would possess binoculars/thermal with which to observe/reconnoitre and correctly assess a situation before wading in unnecessarily, especially in a rural setting such as the OP's????
 
Kalahari said:
The police would do well to keep a record of calls of this nature and come down on repeat "offenders" who have an agenda, but they don't.

David.
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But they do, all calls are recorded. As part of the initiating an incident number all previous calls from that number will be listed, along with the nature of the call. However in this case we have zero clue of the nature of the call, we don’t know who called, we are unaware of the information given to the police. This may very well have been a passerby witnessing two people with a firearm leaving a car.
 
I must say that reading some of the comments here blow my mind. Ex soldiers ( or maybe present) who try to normalize sticking guns in peoples faces, by telling "that's what we did in Iraq." We are talking about England here, and not downtown Bagdad. And the English countryside. I have spent a lot of time on the English countryside (but not hunting) , mostly up in Oxfordshire, and that is not a war zone. It's a peaceful and beautiful place. Having some here suggest that it goes with the territory when you're a hunter, that one has to accept being shackled up and threatened with guns by the police, is really a tall order. Why would police behave like this? Because you might be a poacher? Even without the hunting guns you might be a rapist. A much worse offense. Most of you guys here are equipped to be one. With the logic some have displayed here, I should expect to be tackled and put in irons every time I walk by the school here in my neighborhood. I might be child molester for all the police know. Better safe than sorry. Im sorry guys, but you are on a dangerous slippery slope towards really dark times if you accept this...
 
63 said:
are they non-toxic Werthers Original or do they have lead in them?
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No "63" they save the lead and its amalgam to fill the cavities in the teeth of the poor kiddies that ate too many of them. Werther's = dental decay in a plastic wrapper! In fact orthodontists the world over did so well from them in the 1990s that BMW used to give the Werther's factory owner a free brand new top of the line Model 740 every other year as a "thank you".
 
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OK, the right or wrong of the police action / response regards the OP's originally post I don't know, as I don't have the full details.

However attitudes amongst the general (non shooting) public have changed drastically over the last 35 or so years.

As a 14 year old I could walk a mile and a half to an air rifle club (in a church hall of all places). Obviously carrying a firearm of some type in a gun slip. Passed the main police station, and nobody would bat an eyebrow.

Today I feel if someone sees what could be a firearm, in any form, I could be subject to a visit from armed response.

Sad times.
 
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