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[8x57]

He probably satisfied himself that you were a bona fide shooter simply by a glance at your certificate, matching the face to a picture. Few bother to inspect the certificate closely, some do especially when dealing with expanding bullets. I must say though that some shop assistants are dreadful or just don't know what to look for on a certificate.

 

[stone]

sorry 243
just realised you were on about primers
my mistake
gyr
which range did you buy your items from as i know a small RFD who supplys quite a lot of stuff, i think he is not far from you and i would think a bit cheaper to
stone

 

[Gyr]

Hi Stone
I bought my stuff from Minsterley Ranges
Where abouts are you? (pm me if you prefer)
Kindest Regards,

Gyr

 

[stone]

Hi Stone
I bought my stuff from Minsterley Ranges
Where abouts are you? (pm me if you prefer)
Kindest Regards,

Gyr

hi gyr
will pm you with some details when i hav a spare 5 mins
now for the interesting point,
as the suppliers i use for bullet heads tell me they hav to put these on my ticket as it is what w.mids sent them a letter telling them this is what they hav to do ,stay within the conditions that hav been set for thier RFD, i wonder where mr Biddle gets his ammo from, as he shoots target rifle at minsterly a fair bit,and so do the w.mids firearms unit or does he practice what he preaches and spends time having it all writ down on his ticket from some other supplier, i wonder

 

[swampy]

expanding bullets

I recently spoke to my firearms licencing department becuase i can get them cheaply off the internet. The answer i got was that i would have to write them on when i had loaded them.

I will have a good look at the legislation when i get to the office.

legal eagle is right on this, i am sure
steve

 

[Tim1]

Hi All,

The best way to check this is to go to BASC Firearms. I suspect you won't necessarily get a legally correct answer from your FLO - just your local force's interpretation and preference.

It does seem to differ depending on who you go to. My understanding is that expanding bullets should be entered on your certificate, non-expanding bullets need not be. However, in practice as has been highlighted in this thread no one really seems to know.

Good luck,

Tim

 

[Gyr]

Re bullets on display

The other day I ordered some inert ammo through the post for my collection.They came wrapped in tin foil!!
Where do you think I stand with the flo if he were to see them on display?

Regards,
Gyr

 

[stag1933]

Any bullet heads I have bought recently have been entered on to my cert.
I have had no problems with primers.

When I do a variation or have a visit they are only interested in fully loaded cartridges but I always make sure I have less than my allocated quantity, in fact I never have large numbers loaded anyway as I can do a few whenever I need them.
I loaded 25 .243 for a friend today and only 11 for myself to keep my small stock topped up.

HWH.

 

[poddle]

Yet again its all down to your FLB.
It varies across the country, yet again we have one law for one and another law for another
What was the magna carta for ?

 

[ezzy6.5]

Well guys now i'm really confused.
It was my understanding that only loaded rounds counted against your entitlement. A few years ago i had a 357mag winchester 94 for a bit of fun, a chap i was talking to had had revolvers and still had all his lead cast bullets, he said i could have them if i collected them so i turned up at his house in my car and he said 'you wont get them in there' it turns out he'd been a serious competetor in the pistol scene and had bought a bulk loadof lead cast bullets. I had to return with my dads mondeo estate
to get them all in. the missus went mad, they were in the loft in the garage in the end i swapped a load of them for a progresive press.
My first FEO told me that expanding bullets counted against your allowance as a result i have athority to posses 1500 .223 rounds (if i only had the money) I can posses 200 6.5 rounds so this covers me either way. Despite buying components from different shops i have never had any primers or bullets entered on my ticket, i wouldn't mind if they did as at least it shows that your using some ammo.

The other thing i heard a while ago is that there is a limit to how much poeder you can have! this includes stuff in loaded rounds and shotgun cartridges if this is true i had better check how much it is.
Has anyone else heard this.
Ezzy.

 

[nuttyspaniel]

This is interesting. I am under the belief that heads in this country can only be sold face to face on production of a valid ticket, the same with powders and primers, this is due to lord cullens report to stop unwanted getting components then making rounds. However with heads you dont need 100 on the ticket to buy 100 as th buy x and store y is for live rounds. Now if you only have a 243 for arguments sake on your ticket and you have 308 heads in the house then you are in deep doo doo! Ive actually started a similar thread on another forum before I seen this thread. Im with swampy on this, and I really feel this is another issue that should be popped onto the basc thread. This again shows like said else where they arent up to the job!!!


nutty

 

[nuttyspaniel]

Oh and my force (central scotland) have asked or told rfd's to put heads on the ticket. Talk about upholding the law and beyond!! RFD's arent going not to do it as the are scared they havee their rfd revoked!!

nutty

 

[stone]

This is interesting. I am under the belief that heads in this country can only be sold face to face on production of a valid ticket, the same with powders and primers, this is due to lord cullens report to stop unwanted getting components then making rounds. However with heads you dont need 100 on the ticket to buy 100 as th buy x and store y is for live rounds. Now if you only have a 243 for arguments sake on your ticket and you have 308 heads in the house then you are in deep doo doo!

on this i am probaly going over top but i hav just counted 11 different rifles that are designed around .308 bullet head (there must be more)
, so there is nothing stopping any one with a ticket for 30-06 buying heads powder and primers then over the phone buying the rest of the componets to make ammunition up for any of the other ten, or any one getting their rfd and buying as much components as he wants for any calibre he has or can get on his rfd
just another way to try and deter the good from acting responsible while the bad get badder, only the good guys are affected

 

[8x57]

Expanding bullets must be sold face to face usually via a RFD and count towards the total number that you can hold. Expanding bullets also need to be transported by an approved section 5 carrier, adding to the cost.

Non expanding can be sent through the post and do not need to be included in your holding until made up as loaded rounds. You can buy as many of these at a time as you can afford, cast bullets being a prime example, I often buy several thousand at a time.

Proof of entitlement is required when buying powder or primers but they are not entered on your certificate.

In very simple terms the maximum quantity of nitro powder that you can usually hold is 5kg without additional authorisation.

Loaded ammunition and primers can be counted towards the net explosive content, there being tables available to calculate this. However it is quite unlikely that any shooter will hold that many loaded cartriges and primers that it will exceed the 5kg figure.

Yes it is possible to acquire legally all the components for one calibre but to use them for another e.g. your example of .308 / .30.06
Then again it is possible to cast your own bullets, even manufacture your own bullet moulds or machine your own reloading dies or alter drill presses to make reloading machines. If someone wants to produce ammunition for illegal purposes it is almost impossible to legislate against it.

Nuttyspanial, I think that it was not as a result of the Cullen report but as a result of the shooting of a police officer in Leeds (?) by a drug addicted american working as a doorman, that control on the purchase of powder and primers was introduced in a crime reduction bill only a year or so ago.

 

[JAYB]

All the legislation that has been introduced in more recent years has very little to do with gun control. It does, however, have a lot to do with vote winning in my humble opinion. It is the same old story new laws are only adhered to by legitimate, registered FAC holders, us!

The Government seems to have a lot of difficulty understanding that the only people who are affected by the relevant legislation is us, those who use, obtain and deal in firearms illegally are not in the slightest bothered or deterred by the introduction of new laws. We spend time wondering whether or not a head counts towards our entitlement or not when criminals could not give a toss. Even the authorities who have to enforce this myriad of confusing laws are at odds as to what is meant, and the Government are sufficiently vague so that they can bend whatever way the wind is blowing.

What the Country needs, and it will benefit legal shooters, is for the Government to provide sufficient resources to enforce the current legislation, get rid of the bloody gun gangs and their illegally held weapons. Strangling the shooting community with more and more laws will not cure the problem, it just ruins life for those of us that shoot. Well that's how I see it anyway.

John

 

[charadam]

First, my hobby horse - could we please stop talking about bullet heads - they are bullets , plain and simple!

Hobby horse now stabled.

I am in W Mercia and from the last FAC renewal, I have been limited not only in the number of cartridges I may acquire and keep, but also in the number of expanding missiles (the aforementioned bullets) - that I may acquire and keep.

Had a long discussion with an individual who wanted to assume that any hollow-point bullet was thus restricted. and had to be sold face-to-face. This despite the manufacturers' statement that the bullets, being match type, are not "designed to expand" and so are freely available mail order.

Had a further discussion with yet another individual who wished to state that, since all bullets (other than, perhaps depleted uranium) expand upon contact with the proverbial immovable object, then all bullets are expanding missiles and should be controlled.

You couldn't write it and sell it as a sitcom. The various polices states (sorry, authorities) are interpreting very bad law to suit individual agendas and we, the most law-abiding minority in the country are forced to swallow it.

Maybe the solution is to incorporate ourselves as a religion. All we would have to do is declare that our firearms are necessary to our rituals and away we go.

I see from the press that pagans are to be permitted to exercise their religion whilst serving time at Her Majesty's pleasure - perhaps this is our cue!

Beowulf for Shooters Pope!

(Apologies to Beowulf - I have not had the pleasure of meeting the gentleman, but his username somehow resonates.)

 

[Beowulf]

No worries Charadam, I’m all up for the job of gun wielding religious zealot, just not a Pope. I wouldn't like to wander around all day waving at people in my pyjamas!

 

[swampy]

have a look at

Have a look at the legal issues section, we have tackled this one quite well and it looks like BASC are going to finally seek full clarification.

 

[charadam]

Beowulf - " I’m all up for the job of gun wielding religious zealot" - well, good for you!

Since you do not want to be pope of the new religion, are you prepared to be Foresight?

What form will legal marriage take in the new religion?

How will we prove that we are God's Gunners? (With all due respect (nil) to Arsenal fans)? Is an FAC enough?

Will small calibres (and bores) be admitted to full membership of the community?

Returning to the marriage theme, will trips to B&Q to choose wallpaper be recognised as a waste of stalikng time and be banned by holy edict?

Sorry to keep going on about the marriage thing, but surely a freezer full of venison, trout and salmon (my other religions) are preferable to grouting the bathroom tiles?

Completely unrelated to the marriage thing - reloading is an essential part of stalking and time spent reloading must be fully recognised for remission.

Any number of Commandments (up to 10) may be instituted by the Foresight, subject to validation by the congregation.

 

[stone]

will you get of this marriage thing , my OH has just gone skipping into the lounge , the only thing i am goining to do on bended knees tonite is pick my wine glass off the floor