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Foxyboy43
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Hmmm. It seems that the “ex’, rightly or wrongly, has made some sort of claim/allegation which I guess the police are duty bound to act upon when firearms are involved. The problem now is disproving it - I don’t hold out much hope especially if there is already bad blood. I know of a number of guys who lost their guns because of uncorroborated allegations - one of them a senior serving officer!
Hell hath no fury…….
Hell hath no fury…….
It seems rather Kafka-esque that a senior police officer thinks he can conduct a proper review of a person's unsuitability without that person's knowledge. How on earth can he conclude that he knows everything relevant about whatever the issue is, if he hasn't asked the subject? You can't make a fair judgment without making an effort to collect any relevant facts.
It's very strange. Obviously there's more to it, because on the face of it, there is no reason at all. But to refuse to disclose a reason for revoking is really bizarre. How can anyone think that holds up?
It's very strange. Obviously there's more to it, because on the face of it, there is no reason at all. But to refuse to disclose a reason for revoking is really bizarre. How can anyone think that holds up?
Sadly post the shootings at Plymouth anyone close to going to the police with stories regarding your “ suitability “ to have firearms are going to be taken much more more seriously especially where it’s a partner or former partner/wife. I am just surprised the police do not interview you during the process as part of coming to a decision
Exactly. If it had taught them anything, surely it is that they must investigate properly where doubt exists and make sure they have done all they reasonably can to find the truth?
It's been a terrible year for police reputations, but really does seem they're determined not to learn any lessons.
Jeff8861
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Guns will be removed following an allegation weather its historic or current. Once the flm has investigated spoken with all concerned a decision will then be made. If there is no case to answer you guns will be returned. If there is the licence holder will be invited in for a chat. Guns will be returned or the holder will be revoked the holder can then go through the appeal process.
Too much in the media re armed cops turning up with out a warrant raiding folks home.
This is standard practice to send arv its simply easier logistically both on a paper work side and a practical side. The arv crews have access to armoury and are familiar with the process. Basc ngo and similar organisations have no authority or powers they will simply advise to cooperate then seek legal assistance during the enquiry interview phase.
Too much in the media re armed cops turning up with out a warrant raiding folks home.
This is standard practice to send arv its simply easier logistically both on a paper work side and a practical side. The arv crews have access to armoury and are familiar with the process. Basc ngo and similar organisations have no authority or powers they will simply advise to cooperate then seek legal assistance during the enquiry interview phase.
That says it all ! Still serving yet enough of a transgression to loose your guns but not your job !Hmmm. It seems that the “ex’, rightly or wrongly, has made some sort of claim/allegation which I guess the police are duty bound to act upon when firearms are involved. The problem now is disproving it - I don’t hold out much hope especially if there is already bad blood. I know of a number of guys who lost their guns because of uncorroborated allegations - one of them a senior serving officer!
Hell hath no fury…….
doric_prince
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Firstly I feel for this gentleman, must have been quite a shock.
Yes the police can turn up unannounced and remove guns. This is what I was told by basc when going through a messy divorce many years back. (Although I understand they may need a court order to brake into a locked cabinet).
Not going to go in to lots of personal details on an open forum, however In my case I took steps to dispose of firearms prior to hitting the go button on said divorce procedure as I could see it far enough and didn’t need the hassle.
Bottom line is, IMLE guns are better off out of the picture until things settle down (for both parties benefit). If there is no case to answer to, you will likely get them back. This incident is different to my experience and might have impact this gentleman more acutely than the average recreational shooter, and if guns were needed as part of my profession I would seek rep from basc / solicitor quickly to make sure that the issue was considered and resolved either way swiftly.
very difficult position for both the license holder and the police tbh.
Yes the police can turn up unannounced and remove guns. This is what I was told by basc when going through a messy divorce many years back. (Although I understand they may need a court order to brake into a locked cabinet).
Not going to go in to lots of personal details on an open forum, however In my case I took steps to dispose of firearms prior to hitting the go button on said divorce procedure as I could see it far enough and didn’t need the hassle.
Bottom line is, IMLE guns are better off out of the picture until things settle down (for both parties benefit). If there is no case to answer to, you will likely get them back. This incident is different to my experience and might have impact this gentleman more acutely than the average recreational shooter, and if guns were needed as part of my profession I would seek rep from basc / solicitor quickly to make sure that the issue was considered and resolved either way swiftly.
very difficult position for both the license holder and the police tbh.
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He’s an NGO member
So basically you are telling us that at any time the police can turn up and without giving a reason confiscate your guns and revoke your certificates. The only way you can go against this decision is court.which may cost 20-30k. That I'm afraid does indicate a semi police state where gun numbers can be reduced for your average person due to financial implications. If you are well heeled you can fight it if you are prepared to throw enough money at it.
Something drastically wrong in this and by your beliefs we are wastng out time belonging to any organisation because they can do nothing, the police have a monopoly.
bongo
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So any clown can play silly bug###s knowing that you shoot and make up a stupid story , you then get jumped on guns taken and little if any chance to get them back . Innocent until proven guilty mmmm , think its very much the other way round . Hardly fair in this great democracy .
Let’s hope no antis are reading this then.
long_range_rob
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Just to point out that a woman going through divorce/breakup will not get legal aid unless they’ve gone through mediation first…..unless there is an accusation of abuse or violence. This is frequently abused to get an advantage by some.
Foxyboy43
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Now that is interesting - frightening but interesting. Can I take it that the husband has reciprocal entitlement in the same circumstances then? Or am I just being overly optimistic?
baguio
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Jeff8861
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Read my post fully they are not my beliefs this is what happens, there are procedures in place. Removing guns is basically removing the risk so that an investigation can proceed.
If you have done nothing wrong you will get you guns back. If they don't return them they must have substantial grounds for holding them. If you disagree take them to court if you win you don't pay the fees
You would never win in court, believe me. Our organisations are a complete waste of space as you say they have no power v the police, so really we all waste our money, unless you like nice magazines.Guilty until proven innocent then?
It maybe a small inconvenience having your certificates and possessions pulled if you shoot for fun/sport but if your job requires the daily use of firearms, you're f*cked!
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