Since they've revoked his licence, it seems that any court case has already finished, although it would not surprise many if someone had assaulted him, was not charged and the only person to suffer any detriment was the victim having his licence revoked. No idea if that is the case here.
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Dunwaters
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The whole process stinks.Not stalking you old fruit, but I am always (when I can be bothered), going to respond to posts on a public forum, with which I fundamentally disagree.
I think, I may even have agreed with one of your posts, once about something...but that just goes to show, that even I can be wrong.
You are of course, at liberty to do the same.
It seems to go as follows.
A complaint, allegation or statement is made or acting on other information a review into someone’s suitability to hold a FAC or SGC is initiated.
The review takes place “in camera”. There are no independent witnesses, press or public record.
The person under review is not informed of the review, not represented at the review, not offered the opportunity to elaborate on, explain or rebut the information which triggered the review. They remain totally unaware of, and outside the process.
The police will also routinely refuse to divulge what triggered the review when challenged, which makes defending yourself damn near impossible.
If the review is completed and no action is taken the person is not informed that their suitability to hold a firearm has been questioned and investigated. That review never happened.
If the decision is made to revoke, the first the FAC holder hears of it is likely to be a knock on the door with armed police demanding the immediate surrender of all guns and ammunition, during this phase its standard practice to refuse the owner access to their own firearms to remove valuable items, scopes etc, which are not actually covered by the firearms acts and which the police have no right to confiscate.
The only available recourse is an appeal to the courts which will run to 4 or 5 figures, money which most of us just don’t have to throw away on a hobby. The appeal is also likely to take a period of time measured in years rather than days or weeks, so by default the police action generally goes unchallenged.
How the courts can stand over this process is totally incomprehensible, it seems to wilfully trample over the presumption of innocence, your right to a defence.
The reality that you may have your right to legally hold your own property removed without due process is, quite frankly, the stuff of nightmares.
You need to challenge this.
enfieldspares
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Ah but if you are a BASC member they've legal insurance to cover this haven't they as one of the benefits of the £80 you pay>
....and of course, nor does the former FAC holder because the process is Kafka-esque and nobody connected to the Police realises that that is fundamentally wrong.
palmer_mike
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Hasn’t that been discontinued?
If what you did was self defence, should you not have taken a case out against your aggressor? That would definitely have placed you as the victim.
(Just a thought, probably best not discussed in public until Charlie Jacoby knocks on the door).
malc queen
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malc queen
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He accused me then I put a counter allegation in crown prosecution took no action
malc queen
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We have cctv and witnesses to support me
You have a rubbish solicitor I would suggest.
TH4
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That is a typical answer from you, you don't agree so everyone else has to be wrong because you are the self acclaimed expert on all things. Or at least you think you are. HaNot stalking you old fruit, but I am always (when I can be bothered), going to respond to posts on a public forum, with which I fundamentally disagree.
I think, I may even have agreed with one of your posts, once about something...but that just goes to show, that even I can be wrong.
You are of course, at liberty to do the same.
Benelli m2
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Unbelievable all these post etc do any of you get out and shoot get a life for Christ sake
Sonicdmb73
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Pot kettle black?
Benelli m2
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Kettle black pot use some bullets up or plod will want to know why you ain't been buying any sorry been busy putting posts up on social media not had time to go out
malc queen
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enfieldspares
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Yes it has. Which is why I'm now with the CPSA! I'd sooner MY subs paid for legal assistance and not "jollys" out at Catton Hall.
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Sonicdmb73
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You must have been on social media yourself to have seen the post to comment on it.
How do you know I haven’t put a hundred rounds down range today.
bobthedug
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So you have been charged/reported for assault. Your guns taken and certificate revoked. Standard procedure
You say that there is cctv and eye witnesses to support your claim that you were acting in self defence.
As already said, you need a solicitor. Get one soonest as you making a counter allegation won’t cut it as you have found out.
I can only speak for Scotland but a similar scenario up here would result in you being advised to have your solicitor liase with the Procurator Fiscal prior to any court appearance once it’s been reported.
You need to consult with a lawyer asap. There is no point in speaking to the police for any advice or guidance, it’s a lawyer you need.
I’ve edited to ask. You have referred to “we” a couple of times. This suggests that there is also another person accused alongside yourself. Is that the case?
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Some of these posts are ludicrous. Get out and shoot more - what is wrong with helping someone who is suffering what would be our worst nightmare ?
We are not judge and jury here we are simply - I would think trying to help one who has been unfortunate to find a solution if one exists. There is no need for assumptions of guilt that may not be, in fact probably aren't, true - simply imagine how you would feel if some stupid keyboard warriors, with no knowledge of the specifics, vents an opinion best left for his own ablutions. This is why we hae orgs with legal insurance isnt it ? But who does it these days ? Representation for this most difficult of events is not to be expected apparently but we as shooting 'friends' could at least help justice find the light of day. I am appalled by some people on here.
We are not judge and jury here we are simply - I would think trying to help one who has been unfortunate to find a solution if one exists. There is no need for assumptions of guilt that may not be, in fact probably aren't, true - simply imagine how you would feel if some stupid keyboard warriors, with no knowledge of the specifics, vents an opinion best left for his own ablutions. This is why we hae orgs with legal insurance isnt it ? But who does it these days ? Representation for this most difficult of events is not to be expected apparently but we as shooting 'friends' could at least help justice find the light of day. I am appalled by some people on here.
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