Halal Venison

[Richiee_Nankz_Knivez]

I shot a Roe Buck for a Muslim Family last year, and to be fair i was taking back in a good way of it all.

The reason for this was they were having a big family BBQ type event, to celebrate the graduation of their daughter, finishing a uni Course, to become a Dentist.

I meet with the dad, he gave me an English speaking prayer to say, well i bleed the animal, i explained how it would be shot, and he had nothing but total Respect for the Animal.

He must of said a 100 times that it must not suffer and it must not be wasted.

He wanted to pay me for it which i declined and asked him to donate the money to a charity, which he did.

When he picked it up the family all came and prayed over the carcass before taking it away.

think what you want, but i would happily do it again for a family that showed our beautiful sport the respect it deserved

 

[Woodsmoke]

I couldn't give a flying proverbial about religion of any sort, to be honest. But when it comes to 'ritual slaughter' of anything my hackles rise. The only thing that should ever take precedence when killing an animal is that it's done swiftly and humanely. Anything else is p*ss and whistles, as far as I'm concerned.

Just my tuppenceworth

 

[camodog]

I once worked in a large organisation that employed a number of Muslims. One or two learnt I went hunting. I was approached one day by their 'spokesman' and asked if it were possible for me to get them some of the birds and animals I hunted alive for them to slaughter Halal. I explained that this was not possible ! He went away thoughtful and some time after came back, having no doubt consulted with 'the brothers'. They had thought it through and realised that not every time you shot something was it stone dead. Would it be possible for one of them to come with me and if/when this happened, they would rush forth brandishing a knife, kneel over the stricken beast, say 'a few words in Arabic' ,slit its throat and all would be well with Allah ! No ! I said, not possible I said ! Away he went again. A few days later I was approached again. This time 'the Brothers' had consulted further. He understood the situation perfectly. He had written down on a piece of card a 'few word's, and had the card laminated. Would it be possible to take with me said card and if I wounded an animal would I say these 'few words' over it as I slit it's throat, at which point he unfurled a piece of cloth in which resided a small ceremonial blade with which to complete the act !
Apparently had I agreed to this, then the meat would have been acceptable and considered Halal...at least to them it would anyway !
You could not have made it up, and I haven't.....I shall let you decide whether I carried out the above !

Kind Regards,

'Camodog'.

 

[Ingy]

Having spent more than several years guiding clients on hunts throughout the UK, I have encountered my fair share of muslim hunters, every single one of them asked me at one time or another if they could wound the animal and then rush forth with a knife to despatch it in the halal way. I am in no doubt that many, if not all muslim hunters will do this regularly given the opportunity. I cant abide this behaviour and no longer take out muslims because I know what they really want to achieve and cannot be a part of sanctioning it by giving them the benefit of my knowledge.

 

[Woodsmoke]

I shall let you decide whether I carried out the above !

I'm guessing you declined. Politely, of course

 

[TomT3]

Having spent more than several years guiding clients on hunts throughout the UK, I have encountered my fair share of muslim hunters, every single one of them asked me at one time or another if they could wound the animal and then rush forth with a knife to despatch it in the halal way. I am in no doubt that many, if not all muslim hunters will do this regularly given the opportunity. I cant abide this behaviour and no longer take out muslims because I know what they really want to achieve and cannot be a part of sanctioning it by giving them the benefit of my knowledge.

That is outrageous to say the least!, it’s funny we don’t here the anti brigade and daily shiterags condemning this form of ‘euthanasia‘ ’on their front sheets
When shooting is under constant attack..

 

[Jax]

Why don’t you contact the halal food authority, I’m sure they could give you all the information that you need?

James0586, thank you. Again, in my ignorance, I did not know such a thing existed.

From my basic research, I think it is very easy to get carried away with the typical view of halal meat (I must admit, I thought there was only one way). There are many arguments for and against. Welfare and a swift end should always be the overriding factor.

As highlighted, halal simply means permissible in my understanding. There are various ways to achieve permissible meat and stalking seems one of them. Not all seem to involve a sharp knife, but I will look for clarification on this.

 

[foxhunter]

Unreal to purposely wound an animal , I would tell them where to get off.

 

[sharkbait]

My two bits worth is f**k religion because only bad sh*t comes of it root of all evil along with money turning this planet into a sh*t hole, i believe in putting down that deer as quickly as humanely as possibly!

 

[bogtrotter]

I once worked in a large organisation that employed a number of Muslims. One or two learnt I went hunting. I was approached one day by their 'spokesman' and asked if it were possible for me to get them some of the birds and animals I hunted alive for them to slaughter Halal. I explained that this was not possible ! He went away thoughtful and some time after came back, having no doubt consulted with 'the brothers'. They had thought it through and realised that not every time you shot something was it stone dead. Would it be possible for one of them to come with me and if/when this happened, they would rush forth brandishing a knife, kneel over the stricken beast, say 'a few words in Arabic' ,slit its throat and all would be well with Allah ! No ! I said, not possible I said ! Away he went again. A few days later I was approached again. This time 'the Brothers' had consulted further. He understood the situation perfectly. He had written down on a piece of card a 'few word's, and had the card laminated. Would it be possible to take with me said card and if I wounded an animal would I say these 'few words' over it as I slit it's throat, at which point he unfurled a piece of cloth in which resided a small ceremonial blade with which to complete the act !
Apparently had I agreed to this, then the meat would have been acceptable and considered Halal...at least to them it would anyway !
You could not have made it up, and I haven't.....I shall let you decide whether I carried out the above !

Kind Regards,

'Camodog'.

Really depends on how they interpret it their religion says must be killed with a sharp object most consider a bullet
a sharp object.
Its important that Allah is invoked at the instant the shot is fired this could be a short prayer or as simple as in the name of Allah .

 

[camodog]

I'm guessing you declined. Politely, of course

From recollection, I had 'a few words' of my own.......and they had few, if any religious connotations !

 

[bogtrotter]

Unreal to purposely wound an animal , I would tell them where to get off.

Never came across any who would purposely wound an animal but I suppose there.may be some most accept killing
with a bullet fulfils the requirements of their religion, fundamentalist's perhaps as they believe the word of Mohammed is it
was written and there were no bullets at that time.

 

[Bandooki]

Researched, there you go, no different to what we normally do, except to be Halal it must be shot by a muslim. “Bismillah” means “In the name of God”, usually spoken before undertaking anything. Injuring an animal that causes suffering is not permissible.

1) If a person hunts an animal using a bow and arrow or a rifle, there are four essential things for the animal to be considered Halaal.
a) To recite Bismillah before or at the time of releasing the arrow or bullet.
b) The death of the animal was due to the wound caused to the animal and not due to the impact or drowning.
c) To pursue the animal once it is shot.
d) To slaughter the animal if there are traces of life in it.

If a person recites Bismillah and shoots the animal, immediately thereafter, he pursues the animal. If he retrieves it after it has already died, there is no need to slaughter it. The meat will be Halaal to consume and to give to others.
However, if he does not pursue the animal immediately or does not slaughter the animal after finding it alive, the meat will be Haraam and impermissible to give to others.

(Hidayah, vol.4, pg.510, Shirka)[1] (Hidayah, vol.4, pg.505, Shirka)[2]
(Ad Durrul Mukhtaar, vol.6, pg.468, HM Saaeed)[3]

Hence, it is absolutely necessary to search for the animal after it is shot and to slaughter it. Not slaughtering the animal after finding it alive will render the animal Harām.
The bleeding caused by the bullet or any other sharp object will only suffice in the case when the animal was pursued and found lifeless.

2) It will be permissible to hunt Halāl birds (which cannot be caught) using a shotgun as long as the above four conditions are met.

 

[User00040]

Hunting is permitted in Islam but it must be for food no hunting for sport is allowed if the animal is killed by a sharp
Instrument it can be classed as halal arrow,knife,spear, bullet are all considered as sharp instruments something
shot with say a catapult would not be and would need to have its throat cut before it expired.
Domestic animals can't be classed as halal if shot ,to be classed as halal only wild animals that can run or fly away can be
shot.
The name of Allah must be invoked as the rifle or gun is discharged

Having lived in a country with a majority Muslim population I can confirm that this is absolutely correct.

Conversation came up round the campfire one night out in the sticks, was informed of the above and that if absolutely necessary for survival that wild boar is permissible (one ran by us so it was bought up naturally).

Never been to the Middle East but it seems falconry and hunting with hounds (they are not considered dogs) is considered acceptable there?

 

[User00040]

In response to some of the above, I would confidently say that some Muslims would consider the bleeding carried out after the shot as per best practise would be sufficient.

Always seen religion to be a personal thing, ultimately it should be between the individual and their chosen higher power(s).

I don't practise or follow anything but I do believe that there were a lot of practical reasons behind certain practises, e.g Halal in a hot and arid climate where meat went off very quickly.

One thing I will say is, one person's Halal/Kosher/whatever may not be another persons. Some Muslims don't smoke because they interpret it as Haram (there is a tobacco fatwa) , yet Shisha/Hookah has been popular in the Muslim world for centuries.

Plenty of Jewish people happily eat pork in the same way many Catholics eat meat on a Friday. Stay open minded.

 

[Bigboab29]

I was asked before by a Muslim friend if we could wound one so he could do his business with it still alive - he was deadly serious as well!! Declined on that one, not so politely I may add!!!

 

[Loki]

Hi

You wont get a straight answer from anyone - including the Oracle of Google. Practitioners (aka Hunters) have a different perspective, Religious Personnel have another, Religious Scholars have their own - as different again amongst them (I have asked and none agree!). Interpreting religious texts and associated writings again depends on the perspectives. Somewhere in between lays whatever you are comfortable with

I understand that there is a specific prayer (not just Bismillah) that must be said as the knife is brought back and forth across the throat. Bleeding from a shot wound (whatever part of the internal blood system it damages beyond repair) is not 'similar' to my mind in any way to a 'sharp knife across the throat to minimise pain'.

L

 

[Basil H]

As I recall Ruark refers to the muslim "boys" rushing to shot beasts and cutting throats if a glimmer of life could be imagined, enabling them to eat the meat in camp. The shooting would of course have been done by white non-muslims.

 

[bogtrotter]

Researched, there you go, no different to what we normally do, except to be Halal it must be shot by a muslim. “Bismillah” means “In the name of God”, usually spoken before undertaking anything. Injuring an animal that causes suffering is not permissible.

1) If a person hunts an animal using a bow and arrow or a rifle, there are four essential things for the animal to be considered Halaal.
a) To recite Bismillah before or at the time of releasing the arrow or bullet.
b) The death of the animal was due to the wound caused to the animal and not due to the impact or drowning.
c) To pursue the animal once it is shot.
d) To slaughter the animal if there are traces of life in it.

If a person recites Bismillah and shoots the animal, immediately thereafter, he pursues the animal. If he retrieves it after it has already died, there is no need to slaughter it. The meat will be Halaal to consume and to give to others.
However, if he does not pursue the animal immediately or does not slaughter the animal after finding it alive, the meat will be Haraam and impermissible to give to others.

(Hidayah, vol.4, pg.510, Shirka)[1] (Hidayah, vol.4, pg.505, Shirka)[2]
(Ad Durrul Mukhtaar, vol.6, pg.468, HM Saaeed)[3]

Hence, it is absolutely necessary to search for the animal after it is shot and to slaughter it. Not slaughtering the animal after finding it alive will render the animal Harām.
The bleeding caused by the bullet or any other sharp object will only suffice in the case when the animal was pursued and found lifeless.

2) It will be permissible to hunt Halāl birds (which cannot be caught) using a shotgun as long as the above four conditions are met.

Researched, there you go, no different to what we normally do, except to be Halal it must be shot by a muslim. “Bismillah” means “In the name of God”, usually spoken before undertaking anything. Injuring an animal that causes suffering is not permissible.

1) If a person hunts an animal using a bow and arrow or a rifle, there are four essential things for the animal to be considered Halaal.
a) To recite Bismillah before or at the time of releasing the arrow or bullet.
b) The death of the animal was due to the wound caused to the animal and not due to the impact or drowning.
c) To pursue the animal once it is shot.
d) To slaughter the animal if there are traces of life in it.

If a person recites Bismillah and shoots the animal, immediately thereafter, he pursues the animal. If he retrieves it after it has already died, there is no need to slaughter it. The meat will be Halaal to consume and to give to others.
However, if he does not pursue the animal immediately or does not slaughter the animal after finding it alive, the meat will be Haraam and impermissible to give to others.

(Hidayah, vol.4, pg.510, Shirka)[1] (Hidayah, vol.4, pg.505, Shirka)[2]
(Ad Durrul Mukhtaar, vol.6, pg.468, HM Saaeed)[3]

Hence, it is absolutely necessary to search for the animal after it is shot and to slaughter it. Not slaughtering the animal after finding it alive will render the animal Harām.
The bleeding caused by the bullet or any other sharp object will only suffice in the case when the animal was pursued and found lifeless.

2) It will be permissible to hunt Halāl birds (which cannot be caught) using a shotgun as long as the above four conditions are met.

That is exactly how it was explained to me by my brother in law who is a Muslim.

 

[CarlW]

As I recall Ruark refers to the muslim "boys" rushing to shot beasts and cutting throats if a glimmer of life could be imagined, enabling them to eat the meat in camp. The shooting would of course have been done by white non-muslims.

African muslims tend to be great pragmatists.