Hardy IV surpressor. Any further feedback?

Woo-Hoo!

Firearms licence finally back with a slot for a replacement .243 mod. (also had wild boar and a .30-06+mod added for good measure whilst it was there!) I took the plunge and ordered a Hardy IV Mod in 1/2x20 thread which has now arrived.

I'll pick it up next week and get some rounds through it and let you all know how I get on with it.

Regards

PH.
 
Evening All,

Picked up my new Hardy IV moderator today. Very pleased with the look of it and appears well made. A third of the weight of my wildcat and also thinner and slighty shorter.

Took it straight out for a test fire. I was amongst a mature forestry block and it was deathly still with a hard frost. Perfect conditions for a big bang!

I have to say I was delighted with it. Sounded pretty much the same as a Wildcat 8 to my ears but without the bulk. There were more gasses visible out of the muzzle either due to the built in muzzle break or the frosty weather may have caused it but nothing that bothered me in anyway.

The rifle feels alot lighter and better balanced now although the bi-pod will allways upset things. Its certainly easier to carry over my shoulder now. My shots went 2ins high and 1ins left (due to the weight reduction) but afew clicks soon had it spot on with 1/2ins groups.

How long it will last with zero maintenance is anybodys guess but I would happily replace it every 5-6 years if needs be. The weight loss would be worth the expense.

PH.
 
Evening All,

Picked up my new Hardy IV moderator today. Very pleased with the look of it and appears well made. A third of the weight of my wildcat and also thinner and slighty shorter.

Took it straight out for a test fire. I was amongst a mature forestry block and it was deathly still with a hard frost. Perfect conditions for a big bang!

I have to say I was delighted with it. Sounded pretty much the same as a Wildcat 8 to my ears but without the bulk. There were more gasses visible out of the muzzle either due to the built in muzzle break or the frosty weather may have caused it but nothing that bothered me in anyway.

The rifle feels alot lighter and better balanced now although the bi-pod will allways upset things. Its certainly easier to carry over my shoulder now. My shots went 2ins high and 1ins left (due to the weight reduction) but afew clicks soon had it spot on with 1/2ins groups.

How long it will last with zero maintenance is anybodys guess but I would happily replace it every 5-6 years if needs be. The weight loss would be worth the expense.

PH.

Interesting the movement of your zero...

I'm off to the range tomorrow to check zero with mine, and now confident that it will have moved quite a bit given your posting!

Great intel, thanks for sharing

Cheers
i.
 
Best of luck. My first group was terrible. Put me in a right panic! Next group was what it should have been so must have just been pilot error! After that afew clicks put it back on zero.

Check the mod is still tight after each shot. Mine slipped abit after each group of three. Imagine it'll settle down in time. I rarely fire mutiple shots anyway.

Getting a .30-06 soon so toying with getting the .30 cal version for that.

Hope all goes well with yours.

PH
 
Best of luck. My first group was terrible. Put me in a right panic! Next group was what it should have been so must have just been pilot error! After that afew clicks put it back on zero.

Check the mod is still tight after each shot. Mine slipped abit after each group of three. Imagine it'll settle down in time. I rarely fire mutiple shots anyway.

Getting a .30-06 soon so toying with getting the .30 cal version for that.

Hope all goes well with yours.

PH

The wrong pigging thread arrived... Not Riflecraft's fault, was given duff intel further back down the chain, so new one on order when NZ shipment arrives in the next week.

Still, managed to nail a couple of Roe on Monday with the T8, so not the worst week I've had

Cheers
i
 
Everyone has their own favourite and so you will get many, many opinions as to what i the best moderator.

I have used a T8 and went for the Gen 3 because it is lighter making my rifle easier to carry during long days in the hills. Noise, recoil reduction and build quality is also very, very good.

Ultimately you are going to go for one, if it's the Gen 3 you will not be dissapointed, I haven't been !
 
Hardy are not very good. They have a bad reputation for exploding and short life in NZ, and are not particularly quiet. The overbarrel design is a waste of weight - very little volume due to the barrel isolation tube and the short muzzle forward section.
 
Hardy are not very good. They have a bad reputation for exploding and short life in NZ, and are not particularly quiet. The overbarrel design is a waste of weight - very little volume due to the barrel isolation tube and the short muzzle forward section.

Which would you recommend instead?
 
Have had one on demo for a few months now, my honest opinion is that it is a well made and lightweight mod. It does cut down recoil well, but it is not quiet by any stretch of the imagination, definitely nowhere near as good as a T8 or Others, despite the porky pies that Riflecraft have been telling. I paid for my own mod before I did any testing (as I do with any products I am thinking of selling) and this is what I have come up with. You will find that any of the gunshops who heavily promote the Hardy have had freebie mods for sales staff, and so are biased. If you read the NZ forums then you will see that some people regard Hardy can as loud and dangerous for use with larger Calibers.

Just a quick one from Riflecraft. Not normally rising to the bait this post caught my eye the other day so I have risen to the challenge and joined a number of forums so people can ask us questions on here if they feel the need.
Thank you for the kind words on build quality and recoil reduction, I’m sure Dan Hardy will be pleased to hear them. However I think you may be a little out with your estimation of their noise reduction capability. The reduction of a standard Hardy Moderator is between 22-30db dependant on calibre, it does however have a very unusual venting system unique to this design. This causes the slowed and cooled gases to be sent out sideways rather than straight ahead to reduce the jet effect which leads to felt recoil in nearly every other moderator design. Consequently the attenuated noise of the shot also follows this same path much like a muzzle break does on an un-moderated rifle. This, while apparently making the rifle noisier, does of course not, They are completely safe to shoot and the Hardy achieves moderation levels on a par with other moderators such as the T8.
A simple test with even the most basic of sound measuring equipment will prove these figures ( I have even seen this done with an iPhone app!) for anyone who doesn’t want to take danpd’s word for it.
I would also take this opportunity to apologise on behalf of danpd for inferring that any RFD who sells a Hardy has been bribed to do so with a free one. If they were as bad as he makes out I don’t think that would be a very successful plan, especially with the influx of unhappy shooters, which after a year of selling them would be many. I will however possibly through in a free one for him if he would like to by 20 at time the way they do in Scotland. Maybe there is something in the air in Scotland that makes them sound quieter???
Hardy Gen 3 or 4 Moderators will NEVER EVER be unsafe on larger calibres EVER. They are made from one solid billet in a single operation and have less failure points than any other moderator on the market.
They are completely safe to shoot and a good internet search will bring up a lot of very happy shooters including some extremely well respected individuals and organisations in NZ. They are now also supplied by Hunting and Fishing NZ. The largest chain of shops there with over 25 stores.
I am sure if danpd had bothered to speak to us or even Dan in NZ we could have cleared many of these errors up for him, something I would encourage everyone to do if they have any questions ( this forum is fine but my talking is a lot quicker than my typing) Both our details are extremely easy to find!
I wish danpd and Dane and Co. Custom rifle all the best with the company and if we can help by providing any training for them we would be more than happy.
 
Matt. It looks like a cracking bit on the end of the Sako, but I have to wait until the end of the month to check zero and see what it sounds like. Hopefully yours will have rocked up by then as well.

As they said to Gillian Taylforth on the motorway slip road, "chin up"...

Keep us posted mate

How's yours holding up?
I'm quite envious as mine still hasn't arrived.
I've called Riflecraft repeatedly, but apparently the latest delivery from Hardy is stuck in customs again, this time in the UK.
I'm told I should have it by next week. Again.
 
How's yours holding up?
I'm quite envious as mine still hasn't arrived.
I've called Riflecraft repeatedly, but apparently the latest delivery from Hardy is stuck in customs again, this time in the UK.
I'm told I should have it by next week. Again.

My first one arrived with the wrong thread... No fault of Riflecraft or Emmett & Stone - I was given duff advice from ANOther source - so it had to go back.

Awaiting the replacement, so suspect it's somewhere in the same box as yours.

Not our stalking until 28th Jan, so hope to have it on and checked zero by then. If not, then it'll be the trusty T8 brick once again

Cheers
i.
 
Just a quick one from Riflecraft. Not normally rising to the bait this post caught my eye the other day so I have risen to the challenge and joined a number of forums so people can ask us questions on here if they feel the need.
Thank you for the kind words on build quality and recoil reduction, I’m sure Dan Hardy will be pleased to hear them. However I think you may be a little out with your estimation of their noise reduction capability. The reduction of a standard Hardy Moderator is between 22-30db dependant on calibre, it does however have a very unusual venting system unique to this design. This causes the slowed and cooled gases to be sent out sideways rather than straight ahead to reduce the jet effect which leads to felt recoil in nearly every other moderator design. Consequently the attenuated noise of the shot also follows this same path much like a muzzle break does on an un-moderated rifle. This, while apparently making the rifle noisier, does of course not, They are completely safe to shoot and the Hardy achieves moderation levels on a par with other moderators such as the T8.
A simple test with even the most basic of sound measuring equipment will prove these figures ( I have even seen this done with an iPhone app!) for anyone who doesn’t want to take danpd’s word for it.
I would also take this opportunity to apologise on behalf of danpd for inferring that any RFD who sells a Hardy has been bribed to do so with a free one. If they were as bad as he makes out I don’t think that would be a very successful plan, especially with the influx of unhappy shooters, which after a year of selling them would be many. I will however possibly through in a free one for him if he would like to by 20 at time the way they do in Scotland. Maybe there is something in the air in Scotland that makes them sound quieter???
Hardy Gen 3 or 4 Moderators will NEVER EVER be unsafe on larger calibres EVER. They are made from one solid billet in a single operation and have less failure points than any other moderator on the market.
They are completely safe to shoot and a good internet search will bring up a lot of very happy shooters including some extremely well respected individuals and organisations in NZ. They are now also supplied by Hunting and Fishing NZ. The largest chain of shops there with over 25 stores.
I am sure if danpd had bothered to speak to us or even Dan in NZ we could have cleared many of these errors up for him, something I would encourage everyone to do if they have any questions ( this forum is fine but my talking is a lot quicker than my typing) Both our details are extremely easy to find!
I wish danpd and Dane and Co. Custom rifle all the best with the company and if we can help by providing any training for them we would be more than happy.

Bentley,

I would love to order 20 Mods and get a free one, As i said in my post they are well made, and do reduce recoil well. Unfortunately my customers are not easily convinced by marketing hype, and if they feel their rifle is louder (which with the Hardy Gen III can they all did) they are not going to buy it and I would be left with quite a few black paperweights bearing your companies name.

There is always going to be a trade-off with lightweight moderators in terms of noise reduction, most people understand this and are prepared to accept it for the gains in handling and weight reduction.

When i spoke to you last year on 18th April, before you you knew i was prospective trade customer, you proceeded to give me the sales pitch on the Hardy, you categorically stated that it was one of the quietest moderators on the market. When i replied that i had been present when the free mod you had provided to Chris Potter Country Sports had been tested and we all agreed that it was not quiet at all, you were caught off guard and proceeded to back pedal. You then proceeded to sell me what was supposed to be a Badger Ordnance bolt knob, but in fact turned out to be something you have made in the UK, but still felt it necessary to charge Badger prices for it.

So as you can see i would have absolutely no reason to contact you for clarification when so far all i have received is misinformation, poor customer service, and inflated prices.

I certainly won't be contacting you for any "Training" but i will continue to purchase and evaluate Hardy products, as i feel being a forward thinking and well equipped business, eventually they may live up to the claims previously made.
 
Got a hardy 3 on my 7x57 it's every bit as good as the wildcat 8 it replaced but feels 1/4 the weight on the end of the barrel. I have purchased a gen 4. For my Blaser 243 so i dont have to change them over and my son uses my rifles as well so cant just have one mod if 2 rifles are out, my wild cat and t8 are both now for sale in classifieds.was told by Bentley today the shipment is there and unpacked today, the hardys are light well built and using a mk1 ear sound just as good as the p8 and t8 in my opinion
 
I can only assume your customers hearing must be different from everyone elses or the area you are testing it in must be bouncing the sound back at you. Chris Potter are very good customers of ours and continue to buy Hardy's in quantity. In fact there last shipment was dispatched today and their customers continue to be pleased with them. They sell more Hardy then anything else.
It might pay for you to check with them before you start bring their name into it as well. I am aware that you used to be a customer of theirs but are setting up business for yourself in the same area.
Pete Moore from Shooting Sports and Byron Pace from Sporting Rifle both PURCHASED ( no they didnt get freebies either ) their own after testing them as they are positive the the Hardy is one of the quietest and lightest avilable, and they have tested them all.

A simple search of Hardy Suppressors on You Tube will bring up the Mods being used ( not sponsored by Dan Hardy by the way) both here and NZ and show how well they work.

McClouds of Tain are another big supporter and supplier of the Hardy, and no they havn't had freebies just Scottish stalkers impressed by their performance and swapping in their old T8's and ASE's. The first UK Police force has just taken delivery of theirs after a protracted testing process in which the Hardy came out on top.

As to being caught off gaurd, when a customers complains about a peice of equipment which you know to be excellent it is always hard to know what to say to them. A lot of the time its because they havn't been educated enough about the product which in this case would appear to be my fault although I am sure the muzzle break would have been explained to you.

It appears that the Hardy Moderator has not impressed you the way it has impressed other people. I also run the shop here and I am directly resposible for supplying the moderators to customers and for the last year have supplied nothing else and have had nothing but compliments about them.You can understand when a start up RFD decides to slate them and the other RFD's that sell them especially his closest competition, in public, without ever allowing the supplier to sort anything out to your satisfaction how that might raise suspicions.

I am sure your moderator has not had many rounds through it, maybe we could offer you a refund and supply something else??

And please before you disappear off down the marketing hype road again, get some sound measuring equipment, do a test, stick it on YOUTUBE or something so that everyone on here and the other forums can see the evidence to back your claims up. That way it wont just look like you have an axe to grind to promote your own stuff:stir:

Bentley,

I would love to order 20 Mods and get a free one, As i said in my post they are well made, and do reduce recoil well. Unfortunately my customers are not easily convinced by marketing hype, and if they feel their rifle is louder (which with the Hardy Gen III can they all did) they are not going to buy it and I would be left with quite a few black paperweights bearing your companies name.

There is always going to be a trade-off with lightweight moderators in terms of noise reduction, most people understand this and are prepared to accept it for the gains in handling and weight reduction.

When i spoke to you last year on 18th April, before you you knew i was prospective trade customer, you proceeded to give me the sales pitch on the Hardy, you categorically stated that it was one of the quietest moderators on the market. When i replied that i had been present when the free mod you had provided to Chris Potter Country Sports had been tested and we all agreed that it was not quiet at all, you were caught off guard and proceeded to back pedal. You then proceeded to sell me what was supposed to be a Badger Ordnance bolt knob, but in fact turned out to be something you have made in the UK, but still felt it necessary to charge Badger prices for it.

So as you can see i would have absolutely no reason to contact you for clarification when so far all i have received is misinformation, poor customer service, and inflated prices.

I certainly won't be contacting you for any "Training" but i will continue to purchase and evaluate Hardy products, as i feel being a forward thinking and well equipped business, eventually they may live up to the claims previously made.
 
I have no axe to grind with anyone, I will use whatever products i consider to be the absolute best for the job in hand.

I am not in competition with CP in any way shape or form, i don't tread on their toes, and they are very happy with the quality of the work they receive from me.

As far as the Mod goes, i have sold the Gen III and purchased a Gen IV, but thank you for the offer.I haven't had a chance to fire a shot through it yet but will do tomorrow, i'm hoping to be impressed as i would like to use the product if it does the job correctly.

I don't really see where i tried to promote any product of my own, I simply offered my opinion that was all.

I really don't want to get into an internet slanging match. I am quite happy to deal, or not deal with you on a professional basis, and i hold no grudges either.
 
Likewise.Please give me a call if there is anything we can do to assist you. Hardy is always an easy one for me to bite on. I have the utmost respect for Dan and his suppressors and really feel that they do what Dan and I say they will. I hope that the Gen IV lives up to what you expect.
 
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