Has the "Thermal" Spoiled Deer Stalking?

Ackers

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I must admit to being late to the party when it comes to thermal imagers. I have previously saved my pennies and invested in quality glass. I have however plenty of friends who have turned to what I termed the “Dark Side”. Back in April, I decided to invest in a hand-held thermal and after much research and time spent at several “night vision evenings”, I plummeted for a HikMicro Falcon FQ35. (Big thanks to Mike at Ythan Field Sports (YFSS) and all things night vision/thermal – Bruce (mealiejimmy). What an awesome bit of kit! The clarity of the image is first class and over ‘felled ground’ and the half-light you pick up deer much faster than glassing. An absolute game-changer! so everyone was telling me. Now to my practical observations.

It has changed the way I stalk. Previously I would arrive at my chosen starting point and whilst kitting up, would mentally ready myself for the stalk. My progress would be slow and deliberate, attuning myself to every movement and sound, glassing regularly as I went. Many of the deer I shot would be close range (<50m), with me soaking up the whole experience, feeling at one with nature. Now I find myself scanning a field with the thermal, seeing nothing and then hurrying to the boundary to scan again.

I was out at first light on a misty and dull morning. I came to an indent in the fence line and scanned the hedgerow. I could clearly see the head of a deer about 30m ahead of me. It was a doe browsing in the hedgerow, unaware I was there. I viewed the spot with my Swaro Bins and could not see her. I then put my rifle on sticks and viewed with my S&B rifle scope on full mag, I still could not see her! This also happened further on with another doe grazing in long grass; I could see and sex her with the thermal but not with my other optics.

I am left with very mixed feelings about my new purchase. There could be a tendency to rush through the stalk, relying on the technology, bumping deer on (as a did with another deer) and missing a large part of the experience. If I am not able to see them with my glass, there seems little point. The deer I actually shot, was a buck which trotted into view at a place I had sat and waited. No thermal was needed, in fact, in the last six outings, I cannot say that the thermal has accounted for any of the deer I have taken.

What are other people’s experiences?
 
Only let it ruin it if you want to ….
If there is cover then thermal can miss deer so you can still take your time and glass / thermal as you go

Safety…. 3x times now I have picked up folk in woodland I would never have seen without thermal so I see it as a safety addition or addition to safety if you like ….

Yup I’ve spotted deer in front with thermal then picked up swaro bins and not seen it till it moved!

It lets you see them but doesn’t mean you need to speed up or pull a trigger if you do see anything

I’m pro thermal

Paul
 
I must admit to being late to the party when it comes to thermal imagers. I have previously saved my pennies and invested in quality glass. I have however plenty of friends who have turned to what I termed the “Dark Side”. Back in April, I decided to invest in a hand-held thermal and after much research and time spent at several “night vision evenings”, I plummeted for a HikMicro Falcon FQ35. (Big thanks to Mike at Ythan Field Sports (YFSS) and all things night vision/thermal – Bruce (mealiejimmy). What an awesome bit of kit! The clarity of the image is first class and over ‘felled ground’ and the half-light you pick up deer much faster than glassing. An absolute game-changer! so everyone was telling me. Now to my practical observations.

It has changed the way I stalk. Previously I would arrive at my chosen starting point and whilst kitting up, would mentally ready myself for the stalk. My progress would be slow and deliberate, attuning myself to every movement and sound, glassing regularly as I went. Many of the deer I shot would be close range (<50m), with me soaking up the whole experience, feeling at one with nature. Now I find myself scanning a field with the thermal, seeing nothing and then hurrying to the boundary to scan again.

I was out at first light on a misty and dull morning. I came to an indent in the fence line and scanned the hedgerow. I could clearly see the head of a deer about 30m ahead of me. It was a doe browsing in the hedgerow, unaware I was there. I viewed the spot with my Swaro Bins and could not see her. I then put my rifle on sticks and viewed with my S&B rifle scope on full mag, I still could not see her! This also happened further on with another doe grazing in long grass; I could see and sex her with the thermal but not with my other optics.

I am left with very mixed feelings about my new purchase. There could be a tendency to rush through the stalk, relying on the technology, bumping deer on (as a did with another deer) and missing a large part of the experience. If I am not able to see them with my glass, there seems little point. The deer I actually shot, was a buck which trotted into view at a place I had sat and waited. No thermal was needed, in fact, in the last six outings, I cannot say that the thermal has accounted for any of the deer I have taken.

What are other people’s experiences?
My thermal has a duel use for foxes/deer with the foxing keeping the door open for pigeons,
So no swro bins only a digital and glass swro scope and thermal spotter.
Muntjac went up 65% in my friends wood also it gave him stalking in the summer months as I could point them out where his swro bins missed them.
In thick woodland there can be a dozen fallow out of sight see them way back in cover then you get chance to make a plan,
bump them a few times and they soon learn (so do foxes) as stalking has times because we set them Morning Evening.
Most people have limited time to get out also when deer only come out late due to their own timings a thermal can make a big difference. You don't have to use like a sat nav but if it gets you where you need to be then good to go.
 
I wouldn't be without my thermal now. Two of my permissions are completely different. One 600 acres of clearfell in two valleys. Without a thermal you are lucky to see a deer, but with the thermal you can pick up heat signatures. Then comes the hard part you have to stalk into the deer. That can sometimes mean an 800 yard stalk over rough ground.
The other permission is fully mature Sitka which is always dark inside. Very difficult to pick up deer with binoculars, but the thermal allows you to find them, then you need to stalk in quite close to see them with the scope.
The thermal is just the spotter you still have to have the skill to stalk the deer.
 
I have a fairly basic thermal spotter.
It hasn't made my stalking any faster.
It isn't a "game changer" for stalking.
It does reduce the risk of bumping deer.
It does at times enable me to stalk and shoot a deer that I otherwise might not have seen.
It is very useful for locating shot deer, particularly in the dark.
It enables me to see quite a lot of other wildlife that I would not have spotted without it.
It is a "game changer" for foxing.
 
Wow, people do love their thermals! I can see the benefits, it just adjusting what I do to what the thermal can offer. I must admit, you see an awful lot more wildlife with them. I do like the point that "Sauer" makes about safety. I stalk an estate which has a lot of public access and people are used to keeping some weird hrs since Covid, spotting them with the thermal is a useful safety addition. I shoot on ground up north which has undergone extensive tree felling over the last 18 months. I had borrowed a basic thermal off a friend and decided to test it out. I scanned over a clear-felled area which spanned out a 1000m in front of me. I looked hard for a good 10 minutes through binoculars and then scanned with the thermal. I then saw a stag and three hinds about 500m from me. That is actually what tipped me to invest.

I think we will have arrived once technology can give me a thermal/digital day image binoculars (where the day image gives me equal if not better clarity than my current glass) and a thermal/day scope on the rifle to match. Hik are getting very close with their new bins. One thing is for sure, I think we can safely say that "glass" has had its day.
 
I use it in anger against fallow and muntjac but I try to resist it on the roe bucks. It has it's place. As for "has thermal ruined stalking" only if the individual stalker allows it to.
 
A thermal has better contrast than the best binoculars but still needs line of sight. The deer hiding in cover or a depression in the ground can't be seen by either.

The stalk only begins when you have spotted the deer, then its field craft to get within range, just as previous generations did with muzzle loaders or bow and arrow, if they didn't cheat and use a dog.
 
One of the best things about thermal is that it frequently allows you to see things that you would otherwise never see, and in that sense it enhances the experience rather than "automating" it
The technology is here, it is generally affordable so the choice of whether or not to use it is entirely up to the individual
However, those that choose not to, should not regard those that do use thermal as some sort of second class stalker

Cheers

Bruce
 
Some people go on a pilgrimage kneeling, praying taking a step and repeating for many hundreds of miles. Some get a private jet and helicopter to the same destination. both arrive at the 'site'. If each are happy and content then happy days. The objective has been reached and personal goals achieved.
 
Some people go on a pilgrimage kneeling, praying taking a step and repeating for many hundreds of miles. Some get a private jet and helicopter to the same destination. both arrive at the 'site'. If each are happy and content then happy days. The objective has been reached and personal goals achieved.
Exactly!! For me see them or dog smells them, stalk and shoot (or not as not safe or wrong type of animal). If not right stalk out again. Wouldn't want a thermal, don't need one, so I class myself as a Pilgrim, weary and fatigued maybe but happy. 👼
 
Exactly!! For me see them or dog smells them, stalk and shoot (or not as not safe or wrong type of animal). If not right stalk out again. Wouldn't want a thermal, don't need one, so I class myself as a Pilgrim, weary and fatigued maybe but happy. 👼
I've spent all of my rifle shooting life out in the field. Being that shooting starlings or sparrows back in the early days (1970s) or up to current times. The one thing I can guarantee is,thing's move on. I started using thermal for spotting roughly 15 years ago on foxes,and then used it for spotting deer during daylight hours. It was a game changer. If you think the very best binoculars can compete with thermal for spotting deer during daylight hours,then you've not given thermal a real good go. To give context to what I've just said,I wouldn't use a thermal scope for shooting deer. I've had hundreds of times where I could see a full image of a deer in my thermal spotter,but on checking through my day scope,I couldn't see a thing! There has been tests done in the past where all calibers were thrown off by relatively small objects in their path. Being that large or small. Going back to when I started using a thermal spotter and tubed night vision for fox Control work,my success rate went up by 66%! You can call me lier,but I know the truth.
 
Use thermal as you wish, I have thermal binos and thermal rifle scope for Rabbiting /foxing and NV also but that’s my job side
For deer stalking I use thermal binos and swaros for spotting and a day scope but considering the dawn and dusk hours NV if you wanted, it is something I’m considering and that is based purely on cull requirements, but just as happy
To use glass all the time
Depending circumstances really use what you need if it gets you a deer go for it

My only consideration is if your taking the hour at dusk double check the shot and have a tracking dog or hound available as a back up, thermal won’t find a deer dropped in a dip in the ground in pitch black of night at dawn you have all day
 
Yes.

It has turned what was something that was a challenge with a fair chance for the deer, into walk into a patch of country side. Spot the deer, shoot the deer.

It is a management tool that should only be used in exceptional circumstances with problem deer in enclosed areas.

But it is now seen as a primary means of finding deer and newcomers to deer stalking will never get the skills needed.

But once the deer are gone - and thermals enable all the deer to be eradicated - there will be minimal use for them and we will hang our heads in shame.
 
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