Available: Humane dispatch course( Hampshire )

[8x57]

I notice that there's quite a jump in price for the new HAD course as opposed to the old one (from £95 to £150).

 

[cookingfat]

I notice that there's quite a jump in price for the new HAD course as opposed to the old one (from £95 to £150).

Mike, I did ask for the cost to be kept at about the same but they said a course couldn't be done for less, The DMQ bit is £45 for registration, B & B for two people to present it, a glossy booklet to go with it.

 

[8x57]

£45 for DMQ registration, Wow!
I trust that the glossy booklet of the new course will be a lot better than the poorly produced minute scale (virtually unreadable) slide show notes that we received.

I wonder if successful candidates will now get a badge similar to the one you receive when you pass DSC1. Will it be a deer on its back with it's legs in the air.

 

[bottletopbill]

I did my course with BDS and got a nice booklet and a LANTRA
Certificate of Attendance .. Feels like i only turned up on the course and not like my DSC1 or my Large game and meat hygiene certificate a achievement

Think they should change the wording to trained in humane dispatch or some thing else

Sorry my thoughts only

 

[SOE]

To put things in perspective..many HADs will not get many calls per annum depending on location/HAD availability..Deer Emergency in the New Forest,also working with wildlife charities/ and other agencies have had 33 calls in the last month ,none of which were RTCs which are passed to the police.....i was a Hampshire HAD but resigned from the scheme to prioritise my rescue /rehabilitation work..it is not all about pulling the trigger,the two jobs are completely different. Have a look at Wildlife Foundation in Surrey,very similar to our own workload.......

 

[Triumph2089]

If your Hampshire based you maybe interested in doing this course.

This is the new DMQ HAD award course

This is a recognised qualification as a requisite to join the Hampshire led scheme.

Humane Animal Dispatch Award - East Stratton, Hampshire - The British Deer Society

Deer Management Qualification – Humane Animal Dispatch Award This police led national qualification is essential as a pre-requisite for those involved in supporting the Police at emergency incidents where injured deer are caught up on road networks and within rural or urban environments. Why is...

bds.org.uk

What are the details of this please

 

[Crowstalker]

Don't mean to hijack this thread but why anyone in this day and age with everyone and their granny taking their mobiles out to film everything and liability issues, volunteers for this (and for free) is beyond me.

I understand the whole not wanting to let an animal suffer etc but there is just too much risk to yourself.

 

[cookingfat]

Don't mean to hijack this thread but why anyone in this day and age with everyone and their granny taking their mobiles out to film everything and liability issues, volunteers for this (and for free) is beyond me.

I understand the whole not wanting to let an animal suffer etc but there is just too much risk to yourself.

Yes agreed that can be a problem sometimes in an urban setting, In Hampshire the police are always at the scene before a HAD is called, If the HAD feels he's not comfy with members of the public around the area then he would ask for the area to be cleared, it would be the same if the AR did the job they would clear the area every time.

 

[Stalker62]

I understand the whole not wanting to let an animal suffer etc but there is just too much risk to yourself.

Sad to read that you feel this way.

Very glad that others are prepared to minimise any animal's suffering.

I have no idea what the data may be, on any real 'risk' anybody has ever encountered - I do sometimes feel that folk are afraid of their own shadow when it comes to 'risking' their FAC/SGC.

 

[Jon P]

- I do sometimes feel that folk are afraid of their own shadow when it comes to 'risking' their FAC/SGC.

Trouble is the slightest alleged issue and your FAC is gone until the Police decide to do a review- at there on leisure.

Over a year ago a friends wife and son got attacked by a couple with a metal bar , friend intervened to save them as anyone would- he had firearms taken that day as there was a risk of retaliation from the attacker’s family. He still has not got his guns back and police have not investigated the assault against his family.

Any one off us would protect our family and friends, but is it worth putting yourself in the firing line when not needed?

 

[Crowstalker]

Sad to read that you feel this way.

Very glad that others are prepared to minimise any animal's suffering.

I have no idea what the data may be, on any real 'risk' anybody has ever encountered - I do sometimes feel that folk are afraid of their own shadow when it comes to 'risking' their FAC/SGC.

Putting aside losing your certificate even the risk to the public if you got it wrong and say a bullet ricochet and injured someone or property or what if you delivered a shot that wasn't fatal immediately and the animal injured someone or even suffered more before expiring what is joe public going to think of you. One thing for sure is the police will wash their hands of you and you will be hung out to dry. What If you owned a business and word got out that you botched a dispatch what could that do to your professional reputation? I'm not getting at you I'm just playing the devils advocate so to speak anyone who does this should really take a detailed look at this and weigh up the potential risks.

If it came down to me potentially losing my certificate, losing my income or my home vs putting a wounded animal out of misery for zero benefit for me I know what I would choose.

 

[Tazz]

Does this make the 'Deer vehicles Collision HAD' certificate irrelevant? Done by the BDS

My guess is yess but may open the door to another “ Badge” boom

 

[Farmer Giles]

Yes

Sadly this isn't the case.
Hampshire cannot monopolies in this way.

 

[EMcC]

In all the years I attended RTA's never once did I feel there was any risk to myself. I think I had enough experience to judge the area regarding ricochets, danger to anybody else and no chance of, whatever I but the bullet in, jumping up and injuring anybody or damage to anything.
I was one of the first to take on the mantel of being available for call out having attended the original brief at Salisbury police station when it was first being discussed and the emphasis was on that it would not be an opportunity for all volunteers to automatically obtain a pistol, which some thought it would. I have only recently withdrawn my assistance due to health and age, it might have been the 3'o'clock in the morning in the pouring rain attendances that attributed to my deteriating health, I just thought of that, I wonder if I have a claim against the Wiltshire Police

 

[purdeydog]

My guess is yess but may open the door to another “ Badge” boom

I emailed Hampshire firearms licensing. They said yes that course is not recognised by them anymore if you wanted to join there scheme.

Obviously laws not changed so still valid in that sense if you come across something.

 

[Farmer Giles]

I emailed Hampshire firearms licensing. They said yes that course is not recognised by them anymore if you wanted to join there scheme.

Obviously laws not changed so still valid in that sense if you come across something.

Which course is not recognised by them anymore?

 

[Home Loader]

Putting aside losing your certificate even the risk to the public if you got it wrong and say a bullet ricochet and injured someone or property or what if you delivered a shot that wasn't fatal immediately and the animal injured someone or even suffered more before expiring what is joe public going to think of you. One thing for sure is the police will wash their hands of you

Without wanting to offend, perhaps the course would be good for you as it does cover the array of ammunition and both firearms and shotguns for dispatch. I don’t know the actual numbers but the vast majority of put downs in Hampshire are with a shotgun, with experience and a selection of cartridges it is a lot of the time possible to retain the shot within the body to minimise any ricochet risk.
This revamp is in part due to an incident which cause the system to be re assessed and measures carried out to improve and provide development no hand washing just joined up thinking and learning.

Sadly this isn't the case.
Hampshire cannot monopolies in this way.

Hampshire are not monopolising anything they have looked at what was available and decided it was no longer fit for purpose and have revamped it, as should be done periodically to any training material things change.

 

[Farmer Giles]

Without wanting to offend, perhaps the course would be good for you as it does cover the array of ammunition and both firearms and shotguns for dispatch. I don’t know the actual numbers but the vast majority of put downs in Hampshire are with a shotgun, with experience and a selection of cartridges it is a lot of the time possible to retain the shot within the body to minimise any ricochet risk.
This revamp is in part due to an incident which cause the system to be re assessed and measures carried out to improve and provide development no hand washing just joined up thinking and learning.

Hampshire are not monopolising anything they have looked at what was available and decided it was no longer fit for purpose and have revamped it, as should be done periodically to any training material things change.

But they cannot solely use/recognise 1 provider.

 

[cookingfat]

Without wanting to offend, perhaps the course would be good for you as it does cover the array of ammunition and both firearms and shotguns for dispatch. I don’t know the actual numbers but the vast majority of put downs in Hampshire are with a shotgun, with experience and a selection of cartridges it is a lot of the time possible to retain the shot within the body to minimise any ricochet risk.
This revamp is in part due to an incident which cause the system to be re assessed and measures carried out to improve and provide development no hand washing just joined up thinking and learning.

Hampshire are not monopolising anything they have looked at what was available and decided it was no longer fit for purpose and have revamped it, as should be done periodically to any training material things change.

You are well informed and correct

But they cannot solely use/recognise 1 provider.

Yes and your right to they can't recognise just one provider and I'm sure if any other organisation comes forward with a course it will be considered but don't forget doesn't matter which course provider is chosen by the candidate they would still have to be vetted and go through constabulary assessment and training before representing the constabulary as a volunteer with firearms in a public place and on our roads, So whoever the course provider is better make sure there course is fit for purpose and will prepare the candidate for any constabulary vetting and training.

Personally and this is just my thoughts on this I don't think any other organisation has the expertise and material to put together a course that ticks all the boxes at this present time.

 

[Farmer Giles]

You are well informed and correct


Yes and your right to they can't recognise just one provider and I'm sure if any other organisation comes forward with a course it will be considered but don't forget doesn't matter which course provider is chosen by the candidate they would still have to be vetted and go through constabulary assessment and training before representing the constabulary as a volunteer with firearms in a public place and on our roads, So whoever the course provider is better make sure there course is fit for purpose and will prepare the candidate for any constabulary vetting and training.

Personally and this is just my thoughts on this I don't think any other organisation has the expertise and material to put together a course that ticks all the boxes at this present time.

I've not completed a HAD course so cannot comment on whether the current offerings are fit for purpose or not. What is happening to current HAD operatives, are they now no longer "qualified "?

A previous post stating that this new DMQ HAD course is the prerequisite to the Hampshire Constabulary training/vetting program, is therefore misleading.