Available: Humane dispatch course( Hampshire )

[cookingfat]

If your Hampshire based you maybe interested in doing this course.

This is the new DMQ HAD award course

This is a recognised qualification as a requisite to join the Hampshire led scheme.

Humane Animal Dispatch Award - East Stratton, Hampshire - The British Deer Society

Deer Management Qualification – Humane Animal Dispatch Award This police led national qualification is essential as a pre-requisite for those involved in supporting the Police at emergency incidents where injured deer are caught up on road networks and within rural or urban environments. Why is...

bds.org.uk

 

[purdeydog]

Does this make the 'Deer vehicles Collision HAD' certificate irrelevant? Done by the BDS

 

[Donkey Basher]

I think I’ll give that a miss - for a start it’s right at the beginning of the doe season so clearly whoever organised it has no idea about real world deer management or they’d have done it in September instead - or May or any other time when stalkers are not actually out trying to reduce the number of deer that might get involved in road collisions

Then, to me at least, there is the principle of being charged to attend a course to then enable me to provide a free service to a body who, if they need my services as a volunteer, should be offering the training to me as part of their ‘onboarding’.

Sorry to say but whilst recognising the need to prevent unnecessary suffering “I’m out” as far as this one goes. And, I’m pretty sure the chap I stalk with who is already in the Hants police HAD group will leave if he gets told he needs to do this course.

 

[cookingfat]

Does this make the 'Deer vehicles Collision HAD' certificate irrelevant? Done by the BDS

Yes

 

[cookingfat]

I think I’ll give that a miss - for a start it’s right at the beginning of the doe season so clearly whoever organised it has no idea about real world deer management or they’d have done it in September instead - or May or any other time when stalkers are not actually out trying to reduce the number of deer that might get involved in road collisions

Then, to me at least, there is the principle of being charged to attend a course to then enable me to provide a free service to a body who, if they need my services as a volunteer, should be offering the training to me as part of their ‘onboarding’.

Sorry to say but whilst recognising the need to prevent unnecessary suffering “I’m out” as far as this one goes. And, I’m pretty sure the chap I stalk with who is already in the Hants police HAD group will leave if he gets told he needs to do this course.

If your already a Hants HAD then there’s no need to do this course as they have done there training with the constabulary.

This is for new candidates

As for the cost I agree it should be cheaper but I don’t make the rules up.

Tony

 

[Mike L]

I thought the police were doing humane dispatch these days?

 

[timbrayford]

I did the lantra version with Mike at JelenPWS, don't see the need to be doubly qualified!

 

[purdeydog]

I did a deer carcass collection in Hampshire last month. Someone with the police HAD scheme, had dispatched a deer from a vehicle collision on a public road and then left the carcass on private land. Land owner was not impressed as it was stinking his house out. Council wouldn't collect it as it was on private land. This is fly tipping and in the end the police did pay for it because of that.

 

[Deerkeeper2]

I think I’ll give that a miss - for a start it’s right at the beginning of the doe season so clearly whoever organised it has no idea about real world deer management or they’d have done it in September instead - or May or any other time when stalkers are not actually out trying to reduce the number of deer that might get involved in road collisions

Apologies, I organised this along with DMQ, BDS, other industry partners and the Police and I only have 36 years professional ‘real world’ deer management experience so clearly still have a lot to learn. The dates were the very first available to link the release of the qualification with the new intake of Hampshire and IOW Police Volunteers. I’m sure other dates will follow in due course. It’s a shame that you won’t be engaging, we’ll do our best to manage without you. Best wishes.

 

[Donkey Basher]

It’s a shame that you won’t be engaging, we’ll do our best to manage without you. Best wishes.

I’m sure you’ll manage without me.

Please don’t take my original post personally, it was never written to offend anyone individually. I’m just an old git who has done my time going through all the corporate bs of business & now see the same box ticking getting in the way of common sense in this case. The timing you mention, to me at least, just confirms my point - why not alter the timing of the intake to more closely meet the peaks & troughs of the deer management calendar?

From what I have been told by the chap I stalk with the training he had as an HAD volunteer wasn’t from someone who had experience with either deer or firearms but existing volunteers don’t have to take the new training so apologies if I appear cynical.

ATB.

 

[cookingfat]

I’m sure you’ll manage without me.

Please don’t take my original post personally, it was never written to offend anyone individually. I’m just an old git who has done my time going through all the corporate bs of business & now see the same box ticking getting in the way of common sense in this case. The timing you mention, to me at least, just confirms my point - why not alter the timing of the intake to more closely meet the peaks & troughs of the deer management calendar?

From what I have been told by the chap I stalk with the training he had as an HAD volunteer wasn’t from someone who had experience with either deer or firearms but existing volunteers don’t have to take the new training so apologies if I appear cynical.

ATB.

Like you I am an old git who has been stalking for 50 years and involved with deer dispatch on or near our roads for nearly as long, we have come a long way since my local bobby would turn up on his motorbike and ask me if I could shoot a roe which had been hit by a vehicle, no mobiles in those days.

I have been with Hampshire and Wiltshire's schemas since they started in 2013-14 and we had training which was put together by mostly Jamie Cordery of the old DI allow the BDS and police Hampshire where at the training day to, this course was classroom based and attendees had to fill out a tick score sheet on how they would deal with the scenarios shown on a whiteboard.

Myself and other experienced Hampshire HAD's helped put together the initial training along with BARTA, police firearms & traffic police at Hampshire's firearms centre where they have the facilities to set up scenarios which are as close to real as possible, our existing HAD's including myself all had to attend and complete this half day course, there's no right or wrong way to dispatch an animal at the roadside but there is a safe and humane way to do this given the scenario that's placed in front of you at the time.

As others have said there have been other HAD courses such as the old BDS course and Jelen's which I helped them with as well but what's been missing from all these courses is the police element and input.
As far as I am aware Hampshire are the only HAD scheme which is run by the constabulary( some others are run by different people and organisations ) and that's the reason for the training as you are representing the constabulary when called out to deal with deer in public places using firearms.

This new DMQ HAD course which myself and another Hampshire HAD member singed off is for New Hampshire HAD team members to attend as a requisite to joining the team once the vetting has been done.

The hope is that other constabularies will start up there own scheme and use the DMQ HAD award as a way of obtaining HAD volunteer members and because its a DMQ award it can be offered by the NGO, BASC and others.

Best

Tony

 

[willie_gunn]

I thought the police were doing humane dispatch these days?

Depends on the constabulary.

TVP called me out earlier this month, and the PC onsite told me that there was an ARV available if the HAD volunteer couldn't get to the incident within the hour. Fortunately it was only 30 minutes away from me.

 

[timbrayford]

Like you I am an old git who has been stalking for 50 years and involved with deer dispatch on or near our roads for nearly as long, we have come a long way since my local bobby would turn up on his motorbike and ask me if I could shoot a roe which had been hit by a vehicle, no mobiles in those days.

I have been with Hampshire and Wiltshire's schemas since they started in 2013-14 and we had training which was put together by mostly Jamie Cordery of the old DI allow the BDS and police Hampshire where at the training day to, this course was classroom based and attendees had to fill out a tick score sheet on how they would deal with the scenarios shown on a whiteboard.

Myself and other experienced Hampshire HAD's helped put together the initial training along with BARTA, police firearms & traffic police at Hampshire's firearms centre where they have the facilities to set up scenarios which are as close to real as possible, our existing HAD's including myself all had to attend and complete this half day course, there's no right or wrong way to dispatch an animal at the roadside but there is a safe and humane way to do this given the scenario that's placed in front of you at the time.

As others have said there have been other HAD courses such as the old BDS course and Jelen's which I helped them with as well but what's been missing from all these courses is the police element and input.
As far as I am aware Hampshire are the only HAD scheme which is run by the constabulary( some others are run by different people and organisations ) and that's the reason for the training as you are representing the constabulary when called out to deal with deer in public places using firearms.

This new DMQ HAD course which myself and another Hampshire HAD member singed off is for New Hampshire HAD team members to attend as a requisite to joining the team once the vetting has been done.

The hope is that other constabularies will start up there own scheme and use the DMQ HAD award as a way of obtaining HAD volunteer members and because its a DMQ award it can be offered by the NGO, BASC and others.

Best

Tony

When I did the lantra version one of my fellow attendees was from Sussex FLD, his input was invaluable, especially when we did the role play of a humane despatch at a fatal RTA!

 

[SOE]

If your Hampshire based you maybe interested in doing this course.

This is the new DMQ HAD award course

This is a recognised qualification as a requisite to join the Hampshire led scheme.

Humane Animal Dispatch Award - East Stratton, Hampshire - The British Deer Society

Deer Management Qualification – Humane Animal Dispatch Award This police led national qualification is essential as a pre-requisite for those involved in supporting the Police at emergency incidents where injured deer are caught up on road networks and within rural or urban environments. Why is...

bds.org.uk

Sure that should read Humane not Human?

 

[bottletopbill]

Most police forces do not need any one as in house.

But i would say it is helpful driving home from my shoot a deer and women with it.
Spoke to Kent police on the phone and told them i had a firearm on me and i could dispatch the deer.
As i was on scene as I got my knife out i said i could shoot it or use my knife.
The deer died a few minutes later with out my help and i told the police it had passed and could they inform the council for removal.

So my advice do the course

 

[stubear]

I did the lantra version with Mike at JelenPWS, don't see the need to be doubly qualified!

Same, and agreed

 

[Home Loader]

I did the lantra version with Mike at JelenPWS, don't see the need to be doubly qualified!

Same, and agreed

Times change and training needs to evolve as well.
The team that has developed this is a highly experienced gang, with a lot on knowledge to share.
Don’t look at it as “doubly qualified” but more like Continued Professional Development, I have to do a refresher for chainsaws and various other machines very few years that’s CPD it also keeps the insurance companies happy.

 

[timbrayford]

Times change and training needs to evolve as well.
The team that has developed this is a highly experienced gang, with a lot on knowledge to share.
Don’t look at it as “doubly qualified” but more like Continued Professional Development, I have to do a refresher for chainsaws and various other machines very few years that’s CPD it also keeps the insurance companies happy.

If I was to do a refresher on HAD my preference would be to go down the lantra route again

 

[EMcC]

Until recently I had been doing HAD at RTA's for Wiltshire since it first started and have never had any problems or complaints.
My favourite tool was a short barrelled .222 initially bare and when moderators became more common, used a moderator.
I have recently withdrawn my services due to age, I'm now 80 years and 58 months old ! and ill health but all the time I was doing it I was never asked/encouraged to attend any form of course as I was of the opinion most of the 'job' was common sense.
Sometimes Police attended and sometimes not but in most cases the incident took place in out of the way places and always at awkward hours and usually in pouring rain ! so crowd control was never needed.
During my 'work' years I despatched mainly Roe but one or two Fallow. My .222 with a 50gn soft nose bullet was always adequate to do the job.

 

[8x57]

If I was to do a refresher on HAD my preference would be to go down the lantra route again

I did the BDS/Lantra course not so long ago. In my opinion there was a definite need to update and improve the course.