Humane Dispatch Pistol
- Thread starter murrayb
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I'm guessing there was nothing in writing!
Seriously the new updated guidance makes no such reference so I would think that is now an unsustainable position .... well I certainly hope so.
I would ask for that in writing.
In today's Health & Safety conscious world I doubt they would back up such a ridiculous instruction in writing.
In today's Health & Safety conscious world I doubt they would back up such a ridiculous instruction in writing.
And why not just shoot if from across the stream with the deer rifle?
I can (just about) see a need if deep in cover in forestry.
[RTA's a pistol is not the tool of choice - that is when the .410 comes into its own]
8x57
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A friend of mine had a similar comment from Gloucestershire. I think that they were concerned that he might be using it for target shooting on the range when they passed that comment. As far as I know there is nothing on his certificate to confirm this.
I guess different stalkers / professionals will always differ as to the use of humane dispatch pistols ..... but it is good reason not need that our legislation is based upon.
Still I think the OP wanted to find out who practices rather than perhaps a debate on their use in practice?
sikamalc
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What ask a client to dispatch a thrashing deer when my dog is next to it......................................I don't think so.
Move the dog and let the client finish the beast off? Take the client's rifle if they were not up to it?
This is what's wrong with pistols too many if's and but's. I use a moderated folding 410 for terrierwork and it doesn't have all the restrictions a pistol does and does the same job probably better IMO. I was asked if I would like to get the pistol put on my ticket but declined as they are so much hassle and the 410 does me.
8x57
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I have to put my hands up and say that of all the guns that I have ever used over quite a few years I have never ever shot a 410. So in my particular case and I stress only in my particular case I would feel far more confident using a pistol as I am far more familiar with pistols. However I will be the first to admit that I have only ever encountered one guy who could possibly be described anything like a natural with a pistol everyone else has had to spend hours of practise to become anything like competent at any sort of distance. It's also impossible to overstate how important safety is with a pistol, particularly muzzle awareness. Once again this only comes with good practise.
SL6.5
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The thing I dislike most about .410s is the very thing that makes them ideal for close range dispatch. They are called shotguns but for the about the first ten yards that little "lump" of shot hardly seems to spread at all, at least not from any of the .410s I've used and certainly at under 5 yards it behaves more like a .40" Cal pistol slug than shot.
BTW Lakies, had a great first day with the new trap on Saturday. Thanks again.
8x57
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"more like a .40" Cal pistol slug than shot."
Don't you mean .45 and not .40 . Hence some pistols (e.g. Taurus Judge) are capable of chambering both .45 long colt and .410 shotgun cartridges. http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Pistol
Don't you mean .45 and not .40 . Hence some pistols (e.g. Taurus Judge) are capable of chambering both .45 long colt and .410 shotgun cartridges. http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Pistol
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I know mate its mostly foxes that mine is dispatching so meat damage isn't an issue for me but even with deer to humanely dispatch is just about getting the job done quickly so I wouldn't be thinking about meat damage, I wouldn't be keen to eat a deer that's been in an rta anyway but there just so much less hassle than pistols only one person can touch the pistol lots of regulations etc get the 410 and away ye go don't need to be so precise either most things I shoot with the wee 410 is point blank.
glad your enjoying the trap mate got the weather for it.
Overlay
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Can't really see the point of a handgun, unless your grossing hundreds of deer a year and with that you may be able to get good use out of it.
.22 for foxes in the nut, any deer 12 or .410 gauge as required for size and a CF rifle, can't see where a pistol is needed, couple of guys I've met have them because they can ?
Only my thoughts not a can of worms opener please
ATB
phil
.22 for foxes in the nut, any deer 12 or .410 gauge as required for size and a CF rifle, can't see where a pistol is needed, couple of guys I've met have them because they can ?
Only my thoughts not a can of worms opener please
ATB
phil
The HAD course should not be treated as a reason or excuse to try to get a pistol for humane dispatch there is no specific need for a pistol anywhere.
When the badger trial was up and running each person was re-qualified annually on a 22R/F pistol and sub-sonic ammo. and paper targets. These targets were printed with the badger head in the correct pose as a reminder of the correct angle of shot.
I do remember when training was carried out in SW England that the targets were pinned to a oak block on the floor of a closed building with several ricochets being noticed. More than a bit dangerous but the trainer was unconcerned.
A 22R/F was more than adequate for Badgers and when shot at between 2in and 6in the skull was mush from the impact point rearwards showing massive cavitation. This would indicate to me that a 22R/F rifle at short range is adequate for all deer when the bullet passes through the brain.
When the badger trial was up and running each person was re-qualified annually on a 22R/F pistol and sub-sonic ammo. and paper targets. These targets were printed with the badger head in the correct pose as a reminder of the correct angle of shot.
I do remember when training was carried out in SW England that the targets were pinned to a oak block on the floor of a closed building with several ricochets being noticed. More than a bit dangerous but the trainer was unconcerned.
A 22R/F was more than adequate for Badgers and when shot at between 2in and 6in the skull was mush from the impact point rearwards showing massive cavitation. This would indicate to me that a 22R/F rifle at short range is adequate for all deer when the bullet passes through the brain.
murrayb
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I never intimated that I was considering it. I asked how people could/would practice with it to become proficient as it occurred to me that it could/would present problems. I know a couple of people that shoot for a living and they still practice. As stalkers people talk of dry firing their rifles and range practice. Game shooters practice mounting their guns in their living rooms ... practice practice practice.
A 410 is often touted as the best tool - and I don't have one and have never shot one. Meaning to be proficient I would have to practice with it - especially at short ranges as that is different from breaking clays....
BUT the questions wasn't about the pistol itself but how/if people practice with it........
csl
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I have seen a soft lead .44 special ricochet off a log at 90 degrees to the original direction. It's surprising just how ricochet prone relatively slow moving lead bullets can be!
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