Incredible lung shot

[EMcC]

I'm glad Redmist asked the question before I got to my keyboard !! he then took all the flak !!
Whilst I agree with the explanation given by John afterwards, as an AW my first thoughts were Safe Backstop?
One can reasonably assume that these videos are aimed at 'Newbies' so obviously their heads will still be full of Classroom stuff and as a result their thoughts would be on the same lines as Redmist and myself, but he beat me to it
Most of us long in the toothe stalkers would have known the backstop was safe based on who was doing the shooting or in charge of the shot but the opening scene would have made an excellent scenario for the question asked by an AW carrying out a witnessed stalk.


PS. as for 'stickies' what's a sticky

 

[Mr. Gain]

Another interesting video, but I'm surprised at the OP's attitude to answering questions about the video. I hope he will continue to post clips like this, but with a less aggressive attitude to other members who may wish to discuss different aspects of what they have seen that have aroused their curiosity.

We perceive things differently depending on our experience and expectations, and we form different views - and it's a pity if we can't compare and discuss them on here without antagonism.

As a relative novice, I'm wondering why the "perfect lung shot" was chosen over a H/L shot, and why it was preferable to wait for a standing animal to bleed out rather than shooting it again while it was still visible. I'm not saying that this wasn't the right thing to do in the circumstances, just that I'd like to understand those choices better.

 

[@theroedeerguy]

If only he had used a .243..............in all seriousness though, great piece of footage showing that sometimes deer react of their own accord and not as expected.

Regards

BP

 

[teyhan1]

John is a professional guide. As such he see's many different reactions to shot every year. He will also have to make many decisions leading upto the shot including whether he considers it to be a safe one or not.
The shot, given Johns knowledge was a safe one. I am so surprised when everybody wades in with comments that they know no history about.
Mr Gain, IMO the correct call was made. It would have been evident to an experienced stalker that the animal was clinically dead. The fact it was on it's feet is neither here nor there as if it had been on the floor it would still have taken the same amount of time to bleed out. The only difference would have been in shot placement. A slightly more forward shot would have pinned the shoulders, dropping the animal on the spot. However the end result is the same.
A classic leap and kick with the rear legs followed by a dash to cover. He was probably worked up with all the territory marking he was doing.

 

[prometheus]

there was a kiddies play area but pikies were camped on it.
(i will not rise anymore to such questions)
the camera is a sony cx130 HD and its on auto aall the time so the anti-shake is on.
also it has a chip if you look at the video from yesterday it was almost dark and its the only camera i have seen which would have filmed anything in that light.

Glad you rose enough for that repost !

 

[EMcC]

As the shot was taken from only 80mtrs and the animal was not aware of their presence I was surprised that shot placement was not different.
However disregarding that, the shot taken would normally have dropped it on the spot anyway, or at least I would have expected it to as it would have been at 'standard heart rate' as in no adrenalin.
In my over fifty years of Deer Stalking I have seen this happen several times but normally only when the animal was aware of your presence or when shooting a second or third animal --- as in when the adrenalin was up.

 

[Overlay]

When you blow away the chaff, that would make a cracking training video, it isn't very often you can see the whole effects of a shot like that, in all probability most of the footage would have been in cover and not seen.

That is the shot everyone dreads

The distance covered and the posture of the buck, places so much importance on shot placement and reaction to the shot and the all important,wait over, inspection and follow up, if that had been in woodland that one may have been on the lost register in a lot of instances.

Well done on a incredible video

ATB

​Phil

 

[BunnyDoom]

Personally I like johns videos - for an amateur stalker like myself they're an excellent resource. Like everything on the Internet it does require a modicum of common sense.

John doesn't advertise them as a "how to pass your level 2" as far as I'm aware!!!

John - out of interest what calibre was used?

 

[patjack]

Personally I like johns videos - for an amateur stalker like myself they're an excellent resource. Like everything on the Internet it does require a modicum of common sense.

John doesn't advertise them as a "how to pass your level 2" as far as I'm aware!!!

John - out of interest what calibre was used?

Does it not state .308 & 150gn bullet above the video well that was my observation...

 

[limulus]

Reading the first post Id say it was a .17HMR.......


Ya beat me to it

 

[patjack]

Reading the first post Id say it was a .17HMR.......


Ya beat me to it

This stalking game is all about good observation skills and being quick...

 

[BunnyDoom]

Does it not state .308 & 150gn bullet above the video well that was my observation...

Thanks, missed that bit!
​
Makes an interesting discussion about calibres... You can guarantee if it had been a .243 there'd have been some nob going on about under kill lol!

Shot placement wise I was taught go for the heart as its a 4" kill circle exists in case you're a little off - this probably went a little further back than was intended but was still within the 4" zone - so the point was to show how far deer could run sometimes even if you're within the 4" zone right?

 

[GIMLET61]

My first reaction when watching the video was surprise.
Being a part time stalker and only having a smallish area where deer can be shot, it highlighted to me the distance a beast can run even though terminally shot.
The other point gleaned from reading the thread was if you can plant a seed to drop someone in it then do so.
Hence having an affect an experienced stalkers reputation.
Don't think I will be posting videos for fear of losing my hide.

 

[ukmole]

great video thanks

 

[Timbo61]

Very good clear footage, BUT....it is not just hunters that use the internet. Any of the antis looking in now have some prime amo in the form of a deer shot at realtively close range and then dying very slowly.
Use this type of footage for teaching purposes maybe, but I wouldnt be putting iot out in the public domain in todays climate. Too many haters out there. Just my 2 cents worth

 

[User00047]

Very good clear footage, BUT....it is not just hunters that use the internet. Any of the antis looking in now have some prime amo in the form of a deer shot at realtively close range and then dying very slowly.
Use this type of footage for teaching purposes maybe, but I wouldnt be putting iot out in the public domain in todays climate. Too many haters out there. Just my 2 cents worth

I can't see how this would be any use to the antis. I feel that it is important to share these types of videos in the public domain so that we can all learn more about our sport. It's no use trying to cover up the realities of deer stalking, people will just have to learn to accept what we do.
The footage shows a good shot and a deer running a bit further than usual...... who cares what the antis think about that?

 

[Timbo61]

people will just have to learn to accept what we do.


And there in lies the rub. NO THEY DONT have to accept what we do. Look what happened to fox hunting with hounds as an example

 

[User00003]

An interesting video, and as much as I hate to see them run and bleed out on their feet (I’d rather see them drop to the shot), it raises discussion on the “10 minute wait” – it was obvious that the buck had been terminally shot, although as he disappeared from the camera picture he was still (just) on his feet – question is – if this were a level 2 stalk (or any stalk – as they should all be carried out to level 2 standards/practices) – would you wait 10 minutes to follow that one up?? Quite topical for me as 2 of my 3 ICR’s had deer disappearing from sight which required a follow up.

So – did that deer require a 10 minute wait? Yes or no?

firstly, I would have taken a second shot when the beast stopped, just to be sure. Also, all else failing, I would leave it for 10 minutes to settle down if it was not dead, but I would keep the dog on a leash whilst tracking to stop it getting too close to a deer that might take off again, unless the dog was trained to take a live deer and kill it/restrain it, etc. Obviously whilst approaching with a firearm ready for a despatching shot.

 

[baguio]

people will just have to learn to accept what we do.


And there in lies the rub. NO THEY DONT have to accept what we do. Look what happened to fox hunting with hounds as an example

Whilst I can see both sides of this argument regarding anti's people must realise that deer stalking is one thing that will Never be banned! We already have too many deer in the UK and too many deer RTC's which cost human lives. With no other effective way of controlling deer numbers stalking will live on.

 

[RickoShay]

Think the video is interesting from a couple of points.

It clearly demonstrates how close you can stalk, what the reaction to the shot is and how far a shot beast can run and a calm, considered follow up.

Equally, the questions about safe backstop are reasonable and fair. You post a video, you're going to get comments not of all of which are going to give you a cheery lift. Am not judging here, it is an observation.

We had a thread not long back about experience, DSC1, DSC2 and newbies - the sum of this was we had to be safe at all times, and that safety was a 'shot by shot' discipline not a years earnt discipline.
To say it is ok for a highly experienced stalker to take that shot misses the point, if the point of the video was to educate everyone on how far deer run - the shot position was not mutually exclusive from this, it also being an educational element. That shot is no different to a newbies shot, and on DSC1 would be a fail - unless there is an assessor on here who will say it was safe?

"..if a sportsman true you'd be....Do not shoot where you cannot see......for all the Pheasants (deer) ever bred...will not replace for one man dead".

That was an epic flight by the buck. Would have been useful to see both the entry and exit wounds and also the carcass post gralloch to get a full view of what that bullet did (besides the obvious!). Like many others I have watched many of YRS stalking videos and found them really informative; but as this thread shows reputation is hard earned, and would like to continue to see great videos from YRS and others.