Infectious disease killing US Deer

[Heym SR20]

Interesting, no probably a rather disturbing, article on infectious diseases going through the US deer population.

Infectious diseases are killing deer and risking rural US economies: ‘You smell the dead everywhere’

Climate crisis contributing to spread of diseases as hunting industry takes a hit from growing number of dead deer

www.theguardian.com

 

[devon deer stalker]

Old news.
I came across some EHD deer in Montana, they die by water most of the time.
When I was there CWD was only just showing up, it has spread to many parts now, we do not want that over here, but no doubt only a matter of time.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Interesting, no probably a rather disturbing, article on infectious diseases going through the US deer population.

Infectious diseases are killing deer and risking rural US economies: ‘You smell the dead everywhere’

Climate crisis contributing to spread of diseases as hunting industry takes a hit from growing number of dead deer

www.theguardian.com

I’m looking forward to see how you blame this on lead ammunition

 

[Sol]

CWD with it being a Prion Is similar too rabies where It can lay dormant for years, It's a slow trickle of decline In the deer population whilst If hunting was stopped In those counties the deer population would likely remain somewhat stable In the combination of hunting and pressure the herd suffers.

EHD on the other hand Is somewhat spontaneous with drought conditions and effects each state differently each year, Ohio and the eastern portion of West Virginia were probably the worst hut this year Iowa was probably the worst the year prior In those areas there's upwards of 95% die-off In the most effected areas!

Here's a buck one of my friends neighbor got (they owned the ag fields, so this deer 100% could of been shot during season) that completely vanished after this photo this area was hut very hard with EHD and CWD, there's no sign of him in the 25' season.

Probably a 190-200" nontypical, nothing too scoff at in terms of the deer scoring in the states.... might even be bigger!

 

[Buchan]

@Sol CWD with it being a Prion Is similar too rabies where It can lay dormant for years,


It's not that they are dormant, just can take a while to be obvious. Rabies is mostly quite short from bite to disease, there are some real rarities though

 

[HonestJohn]

I’m looking forward to see how you blame this on lead ammunition

It’s because of Brexit

 

[Freeforester]

There is no climate crisis.

There may be environmental factors involved, but carbon dioxide isn’t one of them, neither for the deer nor the environment. But it is the Gaurdian doing the scaremongering,of course.

Hemorrhagic Disease of Deer | Cornell Wildlife Health Lab

Hemorrhagic disease (HD) is a general term for illness caused by two related viruses: Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease virus (EHD) and bluetongue virus (BT).

cwhl.vet.cornell.edu

 

[Siggy]

CWD with it being a Prion Is similar too rabies where It can lay dormant for years, It's a slow trickle of decline In the deer population whilst If hunting was stopped In those counties the deer population would likely remain somewhat stable In the combination of hunting and pressure the herd suffers.

EHD on the other hand Is somewhat spontaneous with drought conditions and effects each state differently each year, Ohio and the eastern portion of West Virginia were probably the worst hut this year Iowa was probably the worst the year prior In those areas there's upwards of 95% die-off In the most effected areas!

Here's a buck one of my friends neighbor got (they owned the ag fields, so this deer 100% could of been shot during season) that completely vanished after this photo this area was hut very hard with EHD and CWD, there's no sign of him in the 25' season.

Probably a 190-200" nontypical, nothing too scoff at in terms of the deer scoring in the states.... might even be bigger!

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Rabies is a virus not a prion disease. Rabies can lay dormant but it’s rare. Incubation is usually under 3 months.

 

[Sol]

@Sol CWD with it being a Prion Is similar too rabies where It can lay dormant for years,


It's not that they are dormant, just can take a while to be obvious. Rabies is mostly quite short from bite to disease, there are some real rarities though

Yes for sure dormant Is maybe not the best term, I would say though when someone thinks of rabies they think of getting bit by an infected animal then a year later keeling over dead with the symptoms, obviously as you mention this usually isn't the case but I think media wise those stories are the one that garner attention media wise.

CWD I would imagine Is hammering the brain constantly on deer however sometimes It can take literal years before It actually shows any effects on the outside too us humans too know Its CWD

 

[Freeforester]

CJD

 

[Pellet Pinger]

I’m looking forward to see how you blame this on lead ammunition

It’s because of Brexit

Come on now, we know its Trumps fault!

 

[Chris Richardson]

Come on now, we know its Trumps fault!

I’m hardly shocked he’s a guardian reader

 

[Buchan]

Yes for sure dormant Is maybe not the best term, I would say though when someone thinks of rabies they think of getting bit by an infected animal then a year later keeling over dead with the symptoms, obviously as you mention this usually isn't the case but I think media wise those stories are the one that garner attention media wise.

CWD I would imagine Is hammering the brain constantly on deer however sometimes It can take literal years before It actually shows any effects on the outside too us humans too know Its CWD

The "long rabies", from having read a bit this afternoon, is probably infection more recently and not been aware of it. CWD certainly accumulates until the brain cannot cope any more.

 

[Buchan]

There is no climate crisis.

There may be environmental factors involved, but carbon dioxide isn’t one of them, neither for the deer nor the environment. But it is the Gaurdian doing the scaremongering,of course.

Hemorrhagic Disease of Deer | Cornell Wildlife Health Lab

Hemorrhagic disease (HD) is a general term for illness caused by two related viruses: Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease virus (EHD) and bluetongue virus (BT).

cwhl.vet.cornell.edu

Bluetongue 8 is a variant that is sub-Saharan in origin, the midges that spread it don't live in colder latitudes. Our native midges were not able to transmit it. Until the mean UK temperature went up a degree. That resulted in the midge's gut allowing the virus through and into the salivary glands.
Last year we had 58 days warm enough to host the sandflies that spread Leishmaniasis - they need 62

The planet is warmer and it is causing changes. You can argue all you like about causes but it is happening (and it is our fault, probably, as there is not other decent explanation. )

 

[Chris Richardson]

Bluetongue 8 is a variant that is sub-Saharan in origin, the midges that spread it don't live in colder latitudes. Our native midges were not able to transmit it. Until the mean UK temperature went up a degree. That resulted in the midge's gut allowing the virus through and into the salivary glands.
Last year we had 58 days warm enough to host the sandflies that spread Leishmaniasis - they need 62

The planet is warmer and it is causing changes. You can argue all you like about causes but it is happening (and it is our fault, probably, as there is not other decent explanation. )

How about the planets been heating and cooling for millions of years , we had a mini ice age in the 17 th century

 

[VSS]

How about the planets been heating and cooling for millions of years , we had a mini ice age in the 17 th century

Yes, that is so.
But it's the current rate of change that's unprecedented and a real cause for concern, and in all likelihood we're contributing to that, and should take steps to reduce our impact.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Yes, that is so.
But it's the current rate of change that's unprecedented and a real cause for concern, and in all likelihood we're contributing to that, and should take steps to reduce our impact.

We do however I struggle to believe that people who can’t tell me accurately what the weather will be tomorrow can tell me what the temp will be in a hundred years , as i say the planet has always heated and cooled and will continue to do so , I believe our impact to be negligible at best

 

[Buchan]

How about the planets been heating and cooling for millions of years , we had a mini ice age in the 17 th century

Absolutely true. And within that time scale there would have been time for organisms to adjust. We've had 6 major extinction events, some wiping out 90% of life, but it it all recovered - as it will after this problem - if we stop polluting and over exploiting. If we don't well it will still recover, but not for many, many years. The planet is not doomed, what is under threat is the way we all live.
Weather - forecasting it is a problem as it is a highly complex system, too many variables. I'd rather second guess a combination of my wife, my mother and my sisters...

 

[Chris Richardson]

Absolutely true. And within that time scale there would have been time for organisms to adjust. We've had 6 major extinction events, some wiping out 90% of life, but it it all recovered - as it will after this problem - if we stop polluting and over exploiting. If we don't well it will still recover, but not for many, many years. The planet is not doomed, what is under threat is the way we all live.
Weather - forecasting it is a problem as it is a highly complex system, too many variables. I'd rather second guess a combination of my wife, my mother and my sisters...

As you say too many variables, thank you

 

[Freeforester]

Bluetongue 8 is a variant that is sub-Saharan in origin, the midges that spread it don't live in colder latitudes. Our native midges were not able to transmit it. Until the mean UK temperature went up a degree. That resulted in the midge's gut allowing the virus through and into the salivary glands.
Last year we had 58 days warm enough to host the sandflies that spread Leishmaniasis - they need 62

The planet is warmer and it is causing changes. You can argue all you like about causes but it is happening (and it is our fault, probably, as there is not other decent explanation. )

Why we are not responsible for global warming, why carbon dioxide is NOT the cause, and why we cannot change the cold period coming between now and 2050, intensifying between 2031 - 2042.



Conflating warming of the planet with increased carbon dioxide levels is a schoolboy error, or one that the gullible are being led by the purse strings to believe they can solve. Laughably naive.

The general trend for the next 500 years is for warmer times, just as in past times, when even wine was produced in Scotland, however this is due to our cyclic changing proximity to - and beyond 2600, our increased distance from - the Sun, our only heat source. However, cancelling amplitudinal energy waves emanating from the inner core and outer surface of the Sun resulting in much lower amount of sunspot activity (ie total solar irradiance) means that despite crackpot theories of human or indeed total carbon dioxide levels - a mere 5% of the total 0.04% which are human generated - and there will be plenty more natural emissions coming once the volcanoes get more active as the sun’s energy output declines - will demonstrate the folly of the carbon dioxide myth.

Next time you’re on the rounds and you see a tractor with those mechanical beacons atop flashing intermittently, and at a certain moment both lights flash as one, remember Valentina’s little message, shown around 12minutes in, and beyond. Take comfort meantime, that you’re not the only fool who swallows the AGW myth.