Is the 308 the best rifle for all purposes

Used a Sako Hunter in 7mm/08 for 27 years and killed hundreds of deer with it (Red and Sika). Popular calibre in my neck of the woods and has been for the last 10 years or so. Couldn't even buy ammo when I first the bought the rifle in 1987 so it was handloads.

A year ago I bought a new Sako 85 rifle and it's a .308. Kills deer the same as the 7mm/08, no difference whatsoever. If you think so then you haven't shot many Red deer. If I was shooting your little Roe deer then I think a .223 would suffice or at most a .243.

All the ballistic blah, blah doesn't amount to a hill of beans if you can't hit what you're aiming at. An evening hunt recently, all shot with a .308.

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A small but rather fat 6 point Red stag head shot at 50m with my Sako 85 Black Bear .308 (all I could see) a couple of weeks ago.

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Used a Sako Hunter in 7mm/08 for 27 years and killed hundreds of deer with it (Red and Sika). Popular calibre in my neck of the woods and has been for the last 10 years or so. Couldn't even buy ammo when I first the bought the rifle in 1987 so it was handloads.

A year ago I bought a new Sako 85 rifle and it's a .308. Kills deer the same as the 7mm/08, no difference whatsoever. If you think so then you haven't shot many Red deer. If I was shooting your little Roe deer then I think a .223 would suffice or at most a .243.

All the ballistic blah, blah doesn't amount to a hill of beans if you can't hit what you're aiming at. An evening hunt recently, all shot with a .308.

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A small but rather fat 6 point Red stag head shot at 50m with my Sako 85 Black Bear .308 (all I could see) a couple of weeks ago.

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I don't really get your point ?

I could put pictures up of me with a massive heap of deer I shot in a day but what would it prove ? just that a 243/260/308 blah blah blah will kill deer.
 
Yes, but asuming you CAN hit what your aiming at is there any point in using a 308 over a 243 on small deer like Muntjack Roe and Fallow?

To me a 308 is just more recoil, worse balistics and more meet damage.

The deer seem to fall over just fine with a .243

If my purpose was just to kill the thing and I anticipated less than ideal shots then I could understand the need for a bigger calliber but I am happy in my dicipline to avoid such shots.

ATB

Chasey
 
Yes, but asuming you CAN hit what your aiming at is there any point in using a 308 over a 243 on small deer like Muntjack Roe and Fallow?

To me a 308 is just more recoil, worse balistics and more meet damage
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The deer seem to fall over just fine with a .243

If my purpose was just to kill the thing and I anticipated less than ideal shots then I could understand the need for a bigger calliber but I am happy in my dicipline to avoid such shots.

ATB

Chasey

please explain 'worse ballistics'
 
I don't really get your point ?

I could put pictures up of me with a massive heap of deer I shot in a day but what would it prove ? just that a 243/260/308 blah blah blah will kill deer.

So what's your point?

My point being that although just about any cartridge "243/260/308 blah blah blah" as you put it, is good enough for deer. It's more about shot placement, however some cartridges are better suited for larger deer and some for smaller deer. Horses for courses.

Okay, if you could put up pictures of yourself (I'm not in the pictures above) with a massive heap of deer (which the above picture is not) then let's see them. I doubt whether you could though.
 
We all get terribly revved about "which cartridge is best" but it's got bugger all to do with the cartridge, it's all about the bullet and what speed you want to drive it at for the intended quarry, range and conditions and how accurate you and your gun are.

First job is to make sure you can put it where you want to. A good shot with an accurate rifle will happily put a Red Stag down with a .243, and if it were legal I'm sure some would do it with a 22-250. We go bigger to give ourselves a bit more margin for error and to achieve a quicker more humane kill.

If I'm after fox under the lamp I want something that is +/- 1" or less to somewhere between 250 and 300 yds and will disintegrate on impact. I achieve that with a 70 BK @3600 fps in 6mm, others will choose a 50 grain at 3800 in .22CF. Both will do that job well.

If I'm woodland stalking for deer I want controlled expansion in a 120 to 150 grain bullet at a 2600 to 2900 fps to avoid too much carcass damage. I'm not worried about wind inside 200 yds. Could be a 6.5mm, could be a 30 cal.

On the hill on a windy day or if likely to be taking longer shots I prefer to take something that shoots a high BC bullet, again could be 140 grain 6.5, 160 grain 7mm or 200 grain 30 cal. My preference is the 7mm because it carries it's energy well and doesn't recoil as much as the 30 cals, but others might not be worried about the recoil.

For Boar I want to shoot something in the 160 to 200 range, BC irrelevant, speed can be relatively slow, but it needs to make a big hole. 7mm, 30 cal, even 30/30 is going to achieve this.

You may choose to argue about some of the above numbers, you may well do it differently to me, but you have to agree that accuracy comes first, bullet size, construction and the speed you launch it at comes second. When you have made a decision on what you want to achieve on those fronts the "which cartridge" question can start, and there will be more than one answer to both the calibre and cartridge question.

Is the .308 perfect for all of the above. Yes you can load 180/200 grain for Boar at 2500 fps which is more than enough. Yes you can load 150 grain at 2800 fps for woodland stalking and it will do as good a job as most other options, better than many. Would it be my first choice for a windy day on the hill or longer range shots - no it wouldn't, but plenty of people do well enough with them in 600 yd matches to prove that they can be used effectively for that job if you are good enough with your trajectories and wind reading. Would I use a .308 on a fox, 110 grain at 3200 fps, again not ideal but it will do the job in most instances, you would just be a bit handicapped in the wind or over 200 yds under the lamp when you're not quite sure of the distance and have to be quick.

You could well argue that with it's extra power a 30-06 would get over the issues of speed for the hill and the foxes and loaded down a bit would do the other two jobs just as well. You could say the same of many of the 7mm calibres which have the additional benefit of higher BC bullets when you need them and a bit less recoil.

My "perfect" calibre....I don't have one, just pick up the right tool for the job in hand.

It goes on and on.

And why would you only want one gun anyway?:-D
 
So what's your point?

My point being that although just about any cartridge "243/260/308 blah blah blah" as you put it, is good enough for deer. It's more about shot placement, however some cartridges are better suited for larger deer and some for smaller deer. Horses for courses.

Okay, if you could put up pictures of yourself (I'm not in the pictures above) with a massive heap of deer (which the above picture is not) then let's see them. I doubt whether you could though.

pm me your email i'll send you some pics
 
here's a couple for you , not a big fan of this kind of stuff but felt I needed to because of your attitude.

I've shot a lot of deer with many different calibres , not as many as some but more than others.

you would do well to listen to ejg on here he is talking sense.

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Right, I'll get the tape measure to see how high up the wall it goes, or are we going for distance ? :)

:rofl: very funny ! I know I usually don't let that kind of chopper rile me but our colonial friend '10' ringpiece got on my tits with his attitude after only 9 posts !

sorry admin , my bad !
 
here's a couple for you , not a big fan of this kind of stuff but felt I needed to because of your attitude.

I've shot a lot of deer with many different calibres , not as many as some but more than others.

you would do well to listen to ejg on here he is talking sense.

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Don't want to start an argument but Christ that is mass murder.
I just couldn't do that
 
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