I've noticed a common theme regarding copper removing wonder liquids

Light carbon/soot deposits, also I spray the end of mine with Legia oil so it coats the inside of the barrel with a light film of oil.

had one of my rifles for 12 years and it’s still shooting touching holes so far!

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Gixer
But that's my very point. It only removes what the next bullet down the barrel would have removed anyway and it doesn't coat the inside of the barrel with oil. It simply coats the very peaks of the rifling. The rest is untouched.
I have had one of my rifles for 10 years. It's my go to rifle and has only had the barrel cleaned 3 times. It also shoots thumb nail hence I can't see the point in a bore snake.
 
But that's my very point. It only removes what the next bullet down the barrel would have removed anyway and it doesn't coat the inside of the barrel with oil. It simply coats the very peaks of the rifling. The rest is untouched.
I have had one of my rifles for 10 years. It's my go to rifle and has only had the barrel cleaned 3 times. It also shoots thumb nail hence I can't see the point in a bore snake.
The next bullet may compact it rather than remove it I guess...the boresnake will hopefully pick it up and carry it out. The copper brush is also pretty course so should go into the rifling.
 
What do they remove then rabbitter and what makes them useful? Genuine question? I assume that you clean the snake after each use or surely you're just pulling last week's muck back through the barrel?
A bore snake can only take dirt off the peaks of the rifling, unlike a brush which turns with the rifling and therefore digging out the grime lower down. The next bullet down the barrel would probably clean the barrel better than a snake and I assume that people don't pull through with a bore snake after each shot?
Personally, I just don't see the point of them.
They are useful when you are away from home and are concerned that water has got down the barrel.
 
Yes. Put the bore snake away. What is is actually achieving? I only clean once accuracy drop off tell me to. I then clean properly. Gunsmiths on here have said that boresnakes have given them loads of work but I have never read that not cleaning a barrel has given them any. Certainly my barrels aren't showing any signs of tiredness due to lack of cleaning.
Perhaps someone on here will tell me otherwise?
A bore snake has but one true purpose and its and emergency measure if the rifle takes a dunking , drenching or gets plugged with mud . I carry a roll of curtain wire ends blocked off with epoxy to clear and blockages in tge case of a plugging at tge muzzle ( moderator genrally means this isn't going to happen but none the less its habit)
Unfortunately there are lots of knock off cheap bore snakes and continued service cleans with them will unevenly abraded the crown
 
Sorry - I don't agree, but that really isn't what I am saying on this thread. The boresnake vs the world thing has been done to death many times over.

My point is that when someone finds a new awesome cleaning fluid which removes loads of copper, doesn't it imply that the previous method wasn't working?
 
Rain, walking under trees?
:rolleyes: I do both but don't get water in my barrel. The bolt remains closed unless actually working the bolt which takes a second or two and a piece of electricians tape prevents water getting inside the mod which isn't the barrel anyway!
 
Jeez. I am sure there would still an occasion where, despite the best electrical tape in the world, you could be arrested under suspicion of having water vapour/moisture in your barrel. Perhaps when coming in from a day in the freezing cold, having fired multiple shots. It would be wonderful to whip out your much maligned boresnake and in seconds have run it through your weapon with a smear of Hoppes on the end and avoid action by the barrel police.

Sadly, you could then be up before the CPS because of damage caused to the end of your barrel because.... (drum roll)..... they are the Crown Prosecution Service.

I really need to get outside.... :-D
 
Jeez. I am sure there would still an occasion where, despite the best electrical tape in the world, you could be arrested under suspicion of having water vapour/moisture in your barrel. Perhaps when coming in from a day in the freezing cold, having fired multiple shots. It would be wonderful to whip out your much maligned boresnake and in seconds have run it through your weapon with a smear of Hoppes on the end and avoid action by the barrel police.

Sadly, you could then be up before the CPS because of damage caused to the end of your barrel because.... (drum roll)..... they are the Crown Prosecution Service.

I really need to get outside.... :D
Nope, because if the barrel had got that wet I wouldn't waste my time with a boresnake. I would get out the rod and brush smeared with Hoppes and get the whole barrel protected rather than just the very peaks of the rifling. :tiphat:
 
Have you ever borescoped a rifle, then run a boresnake through it and borescoped it again? I've been doing quite a lot of experimentation recently with different cleaning methods just for my own amusement.

Also, I thought my CPS comment was worthy of at least a chuckle. :-D
 
Nope, because if the barrel had got that wet I wouldn't waste my time with a boresnake. I would get out the rod and brush smeared with Hoppes and get the whole barrel protected rather than just the very peaks of the rifling. :tiphat:
I've used electrical tape for years . What happens after you fire a shot through it and its pouring with rain? What about condensation?. How else do you manage when you are away from your home without all your cleaning kit?
Or don't you stalk in the rain or Winter? Even carrying a rifle muzzle down allows water to run into the barrel, the bolt won't stop that.
 
Jeez. I am sure there would still an occasion where, despite the best electrical tape in the world, you could be arrested under suspicion of having water vapour/moisture in your barrel. Perhaps when coming in from a day in the freezing cold, having fired multiple shots. It would be wonderful to whip out your much maligned boresnake and in seconds have run it through your weapon with a smear of Hoppes on the end and avoid action by the barrel police.

Sadly, you could then be up before the CPS because of damage caused to the end of your barrel because.... (drum roll)..... they are the Crown Prosecution Service.

I really need to get outside.... :-D
O dear. You really do need to get outside pal.
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I clean with hoppes 009 as I have always. Shotgun, centrefre or rimfire. No particular reason it's just what I have and keep buying. If it is leaving stuff behind that a new wonder cleaner is able to remove I'm not sure I really care - whatever is being left behind hasn't been detrimental so far. When I hold my barrel up to a light it looks all clean and shiny inside so it makes me happy.

I do use a bore snake if I am doing a lot of shooting and don't have time to do a full clean between outings. Bore snake cost me £20. I wash them in the washing machine occasionally and replace maybe one a year dependent on use.

They must remove more than the next bullet... The reason I say that is for a time I dabbled in a .17 which, after 40 shots or so began to lose accuracy, pull it through with a boresnake and you'd be good for another 40 ish shots.

Sold that rifle as it was cack anyway but still.
 
Having a good giggle at you fellas. :)

Back to the plot, I raise an eyebrow when those-that-knows accuse boresnakes of causing crown damage. How very dare they? I figure it's not beyond the wit of man to pull the boresnake directly parallel to the barrel axis. They are definitely a useful thing and I always carry one when travelling. They don't remove as much powder/crud/magic fairy dust as a brush and patching out, but they do a fair job.
Best way of quickly wearing out a barrel is to keep on firing it.
 
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