Ivermectin, for the interested

[Freeforester]

.. and where ‘our’ society is ‘at’ as far as widespread adoption in first world countries of the best cycle-breaking intervention for the pandemic is concerned:



As comrade Lenin was wont to put it: ”Trust is good, but control better”

 

[mchughcb]

Just a close up of that graph of the cases in India, showing where Ivermectin was rolled out against the now 'all-consuming'"90% more infectious" variant from India, now being presaged by Mr Handcock and the BBC as the next calamitous instalment in our ongoing National soap.

Much like Eastenders or Breakfast Time, Countryfile, delete as preferred (if only we could) etc, it would appear that these 'ivermectin deniers' would rather continue to terrorise the public at large than now actually see their pet project put to bed...

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What bit of the precipitous drop-off are you having difficulty in understanding, Mr Handcock?


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That is quite amazing.

 

[mchughcb]

An Australian broadcasting company’s view on the origins of the pandemic:



The man with a prediction, from the past:

Its all coming out now.

Who could have thought that Dr Fauci authorized game of function research that has now cost the global economy trillions and cause the death of millions?

And yet only 12 months ago, it was all Donald Trumps fault.

 

[Freeforester]

Its all coming out now.

Who could have thought that Dr Fauci authorized game of function research that has now cost the global economy trillions and cause the death of millions?

And yet only 12 months ago, it was all Donald Trumps fault.

For the princely sum of roughly US$120,000 a year, the $600,000 allocated was spread over five years, though of course contingent on their annual progress report being deemed ‘satisfactory’. Messers Daszak and Fauci indeed have some explaining to do to rather many. Small wonder they hesitate to wholly pin the blame on the Chinese.

But when there is no more pandemic, there will be no more authorisation of use of ‘emergency vaccines’ of course, just as surely in similar reason that Ivermectin is being ignored, ie existing (and safe) drugs will normally take precedent over novel and/or emergency use options…

 

[Freeforester]

A little more on the potential for ivermectin as a powerful preventative of Covid:

 

[John Gryphon]

Has this been posted previously,i haven't read the whole boring thread.

Ivermectin: why a potential COVID treatment isn’t recommended for use

The antiparasitic drug was thought to be a potential treatment for COVID-19, but there isn't sufficient evidence to recommend its use, despite widespread support online.

www.gavi.org

 

[NoIDeer]

Has anyone done an environmental risk assessment on the consequences of 6 billion people taking ivermectin? I've read it's caused problems in wastewater with dung beetles and crustaceans.

Going all in with the stuff might be a bad move?

 

[foxdropper]

Very easy to look at the rest of the world from our safe island but how many Brits would come forward for an ivomectin jab lol.Feel free to stick that **** in you and prove the doubters wrong .
We are part funding the third world jabbing anyway so no more sheep dip needed .

 

[Rasputin]

About right

 

[Freeforester]

Has anyone done an environmental risk assessment on the consequences of 6 billion people taking ivermectin? I've read it's caused problems in wastewater with dung beetles and crustaceans.

Going all in with the stuff might be a bad move?

A bit like oestrogen in the waste water from the sewers affecting trout, etc then? Or the tens of thousands of tonnes of glyphosate sprayed on each year, and it’s impact on health? Best roll on with the new variant and let herd immunity build, and let the govt worry about whether or not there’s any need to save the economy, it’s only money, after all.

3.7 billion doses administered to humans over the past thirty five years. A better safety profile than aspirin.

Has this been posted previously,i haven't read the whole boring thread.

Ivermectin: why a potential COVID treatment isn’t recommended for use

The antiparasitic drug was thought to be a potential treatment for COVID-19, but there isn't sufficient evidence to recommend its use, despite widespread support online.

www.gavi.org

Seems to be at some odds with the on the ground evidence in India, Mexico, etc, but I’m sure they’ll believe you.

Very easy to look at the rest of the world from our safe island but how many Brits would come forward for an ivomectin jab lol.Feel free to stick that **** in you and prove the doubters wrong .
We are part funding the third world jabbing anyway so no more sheep dip needed .

it’s usually taken orally, never heard of it being injected, maybe this hasn’t been made clear? At last the longer term risks of its use are known (there aren’t any), time will tell how it impacts on those who are using it, and it’s ability to break the cycle of viral circulation within the communities and countries using it. Meantime the successive variants seem to be getting more infectious than the previous, with the India variant as now causing greater concern in the UK for the impending reopening on 21 June being reportedly causing something like 90%+ of all the latest cases, its a good thing that so far this particular variant is not so virulent as to be beyond the scope of currently offered vaccines to counter; the way ivermectin works enables it to stop all variants from reproducing. Hence the dramatic reversal of cases as highlighted in the graph at #260, their results seem rather different to those in countries (like ours) where the cases are again rising, due to the exact same variant that most of India is currently doubling down on so well.

 

[Sharpie]

This is indeed an, almost terminally, boring, thread.

The shrill Ivermectinoids will continue to shout and scream about their pet (or financially incentivised) theories.

India has thankfully passed their peak for perfectly obvious epidemiological reasons, Ivermectin having very little if anything to do with it. Which seems to be beyond the ken of "Doctor" Campbell, with his borderline racist snidey pontifications and increasing paranoia about 1st world conspiracy to keep the world cowed. For how long can he keep this going, every evening ?

FFS, he can't even realise that recent yellow card reports of snuffly noses, eye irritation etc. are probably nothing to do with the lurgi, but rather that we are now in peak hay fever season.

To be fair, I don't think he is a bad man, is well intentioned, but completely out of his depth. Some of what he reports is actually slightly interesting, but completely unfiltered. I don't have the time or inclination to attempt to do that for myself, much as I can't be much bothered with this thread.

As for Dr. Tess Lawrie, well what can I say. She has now gone off on one and shown her true cards as a full-on anti-vaxer. She's been working up to this, yet is still careful enough not to show her true colours.

Read this, from a couple of days ago, and weep: http://medisolve.org/yellowcard_urgentprelimreport.pdf

Attached, in case the "deep state" takes it down. Nonsense.

But please don't give her anymore of the oxygen of publicity that she, and the "Doctor" so crave. The recipients of her diatribes doubtless send them straight to the round filing cabinet. Perhaps she should return to gynaecology, where she could still do some good.

BTW, Pierre Kory is also an anti-vaxer. Just so you know. Refuses to have it (fair enough, his choice) but is very keen to tell others not to either, not particularly subtly.

Of course I am completely open minded about alternative prophylaxis and therapeutical treatments, however there is clear and present danger in listening to some of the nut-jobs either looking to make a career out of this, or simply deluded.

Today's UK situation.



Now, lets see, my theory. Just suppose that countries who do have good vaccine provisions, (which work), decided to also allow Ivermectin to be sold over the counter as well (why ?), what message might that send, and what detrimental effect might that have to vaccine uptake ?

 

[AGR]

It may be me, but I only get a blank page on that download. That's enough to make me weep!

 

[AGR]

It may be me, but I only get a blank page on that download. That's enough to make me weep!

It popped up, eventually!

 

[Freeforester]

Now, lets see, my theory. Just suppose that countries who do have good vaccine provisions, (which work), decided to also allow Ivermectin to be sold over the counter as well (why ?), what message might that send, and what detrimental effect might that have to vaccine uptake ?

You seem to be fixated rather more on the personalities than the drug, which you infer does not work. Care to explain the results where it is currently being used, and why if as you suggest it does not work, why then would the administrations concerned promote such a placebo?

Finnish Biotech Secures U.S. Patent for Ivermectin-based Nasal Spray to Take on COVID-19 in Low-to-Middle-Income Countries (LMICs)

A biotech venture based in Turku, Finland, called Therapeutica Borealis just secured a patent from the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) for its COVID-19 therapy based on ivermectin and a few other notable therapies: hydroxychloroquine and aprotinin. Developed as a nasal spray...

trialsitenews.com

 

[Sharpie]

You seem to be fixated rather more on the personalities than the drug, which you infer does not work. Care to explain the results where it is currently being used, and why if as you suggest it does not work, why then would the administrations concerned promote such a placebo?

Finnish Biotech Secures U.S. Patent for Ivermectin-based Nasal Spray to Take on COVID-19 in Low-to-Middle-Income Countries (LMICs)

A biotech venture based in Turku, Finland, called Therapeutica Borealis just secured a patent from the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) for its COVID-19 therapy based on ivermectin and a few other notable therapies: hydroxychloroquine and aprotinin. Developed as a nasal spray...

trialsitenews.com

I had to sneeze at that.

" Now the company seeks pharmaceutical company partners to scale up research and go-to-market." Ho hum.

You can patent anything if you try hard enough. Doesn't mean that it works. Or that you have to prove it (difficult to prove a negative).

FYI, try reading that patent. Which, BTW was filed on 11 May 2020. It was issued 18 May this year.

Patentee Index

Patent Public Search | USPTO

patft.uspto.gov

The last paragraph specifically:

"The inventive medicine has been explained with reference to the earlier embodiments. However, the invention is not limited to these medicines and therapeutic uses but comprises all medicines within the spirit and scope of the inventive idea, and the claims that follow."

Here is another excellent patent, probably expired by now, but still the World has been deprived of the undoubted benefits, I blame the deep state for hushing that up too, along with the long list of such things as everlasting lightbulbs and engines fuelled by water.

US20070246939A1 - Perpetual motion machine - Google Patents

It is a motor which runs on Prepetual Motion.IT only requires synthetic oil to lubricate metal parts to prevent friction breakdown no Electricity or Fuel required I PAUL WAYNE MCDONALD claim to be the only one who has ever Invented a Perpetual Motor to the best of my knowledge

patents.google.com

 

[Sharpie]

You seem to be fixated rather more on the personalities than the drug, which you infer does not work. Care to explain the results where it is currently being used, and why if as you suggest it does not work, why then would the administrations concerned promote such a placebo?

I clearly stated that I have an open mind about whether Ivermectin has some utility.

It is not for me to "explain the results ..."

As to the use of Ivermectin in India and whether it had any effect, I observe that it was reported last Saturday that it has been removed from the Government's approved treatment list.

Drugs including ivermectin removed from approved covid treatment list

The Centre has also advised physicians to exercise extreme caution with EUA drug Remdesivir and off-label drug Tocilizumab

www.livemint.com

Here is a commentary on the situation:

Ivermectin for COVID-19: Is India overusing

The raging second wave of the novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) in India has made one drug nearly a household name: Ivermectin is being prescribed much more

www.downtoearth.org.in

Many studies of its use are ongoing around the world. This being one, for example:

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

As to being fixated on the personalities, I am not. Other than to quote what Dr. Tess Lawrie wrote to the MHRA on 9 June, in her open letter. "The MHRA now has more than enough evidence on the Yellow Card system to declare the COVID-19 vaccines unsafe for use in humans."

Which is a very bold thing to come up with, the implication being obvious.

 

[Freeforester]

Oh dear, now the Canadians:

 

[mchughcb]

Well they are now proclaiming the results of Ivermectin.

Not sure who to believe a republican senator or Dr Fauci.

I think I'm going with Senator Johnson, seems to know more than Dr Fauci.

 

[Freeforester]

An interesting commentary on the possible origin of the virus, it’s unique genetic make-up, and it’s possible means of spread via the underground (the ‘Line 2’ theory):

 

[mchughcb]

I was a few hundred km near Wuhan a couple years ago and its completely feasible what he is saying about the transport.