Land Deemed Suitable

[Bo Diddley]

People do worry about nothing, it seems.
I submitted my renewal a few months ago to bring my two tickets into line.
The FEO asked a few swerveball questions, even though my ticket is open, he wanted to know if all the land had been cleared , I told him I had no idea, but everyone else who shoots on the same land are using considerably larger calibers than me...

 

[nf-fuse]

I'd be emailing or at the very least texting my feo about a new permission. Why would anybody run the risk of not doing so when everyone has a smart attached to their hands these days...? Nothing to lose but everything to gain!

The issue is year on year FDLs adding new 'rules' and, frankly, dishonestly making out like they are law when they aren't.

 

[k760]

I don't think this is any more than clarifying with the authorising authority Vs taking somebody's word for it. I can't see the issue with it and is do that regardless of where I shot or with whom. Just my mode. As previous, it's down to what folk feel is right for them. The op asked so clearly they are mindful of the query they have, why not check? I appreciate some wouldn't but that's on them...

 

[nf-fuse]

I don't think this is any more than clarifying with the authorising authority Vs taking somebody's word for it. I can't see the issue with it and is do that regardless of where I shot or with whom. Just my mode. As previous, it's down to what folk feel is right for them. The op asked so clearly they are mindful of the query they have, why not check? I appreciate some wouldn't but that's on them...

Fair enough but I was told by my FLD that I wasn't allowed to shoot on a piece of land after I asked what it had been cleared for because they hadn't seen a copy of the permission I had received from the land owner. Which isn't the law. So either they were incompetent or lying which isn't good either way.

I told them I was shooting the land and don't need their 'permission' by the way btw.

 

[timbrayford]

What are you

What are you gaining, confidence that you understand your FAC conditions?

The more work the FEO has the slower the renewal process for others and the higher the certificate costs.

That's a matter for parliament to consider, to comply with the "land deemed suitable condition" you need to hear it directly from the FLD, preferably in writing or email so that if the information proves to be incorrect you can hold them to account

 

[Hornet]

I'm sure the OP, mentioned the landowner had recently been granted his own FAC and the land was cleared for .223, so if the OP has a .223 on a closed certificate, and has authority to shoot said land, he is acting in accordance with the conditions of his certificate, it really is that simple, or have I missed something? Perhaps, but I think not.

 

[k760]

I'm sure the OP, mentioned the landowner had recently been granted his own FAC and the land was cleared for .223, so if the OP has a .223 on a closed certificate, and has authority to shoot said land, he is acting in accordance with the conditions of his certificate, it really is that simple, or have I missed something? Perhaps, but I think not.

I don't think you're missing anything other than another person's perspective! You're entirely right. But so is somebody who wants to be by the book and double check. There's no harm in it. Nobody is going to be deprived of anything. The op says he gets on well with his feo so he has the option to double check. Sure, it will very likely not come to anything if he didn't but when there's no punitive result from checking, why not?

I appreciate forum posts can at times be lacking nuances and emphasis - not helped by the seemingly different approaches each issuing authority seems to have and the million and one opinions and interpretations.
The op understands his conditions, he's clearly a big boy and can make his own mind up. Maybe this thread is all the encouragement he needs to crack on. Having said all that, I would still be checking with my feo! Just the way I do things.

 

[Hornet]

Fair enough, if that's how you do things, then good luck to you, I do feel though, there is a great tendency to "over egg the cake" sometimes, adhere to the conditions of your certificate and you won't go far wrong ladies and gentlemen.

 

[25 Sharps]

How has this got to 3 pages?!

 

[nf-fuse]

How has this got to 3 pages?!

Closed season on does?

 

[HunterMoore]

The problem in my opinion is that you don’t always get the answer you are looking for when asking a question that requires someone to take responsibility.

Once asked, if you don’t get a response for two months what do you do?

Or the answer come back as ‘no’ in error and needs disputing?

I am at a loss really how some shooters have such a detailed relationship with ‘their’ feo and discuss everything with them. I have been shooting for over 40 years and do the research and prep for variations and the admin team call if they need any clarification on anything I have said or asked for. Anyway perhaps I have been lucky.

Something on an fac that seems wrong must be queried but in the circumstances as I understand them I would act in good faith and press on.

Just my two cents worth!

 

[timbrayford]

I'm sure the OP, mentioned the landowner had recently been granted his own FAC and the land was cleared for .223, so if the OP has a .223 on a closed certificate, and has authority to shoot said land, he is acting in accordance with the conditions of his certificate, it really is that simple, or have I missed something? Perhaps, but I think not.

Possibly yes. Around 40 years I rented the shooting rights off a landowner and applied for a .22 to shoot rabbits with. The FEO claimed that the land was unsuitable and when I beggared the point with the FLD it then became apparent that the land had already been deemed suitable for the land owners.22