Land lease and stalking costs?

captdavid

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How does one obtain land to hunt/stalk? how much? At one time going with a stalker was on my bucket list, but age and health has probably nixed that. I don't get around very well. What is the cost fot a doe, cull, medal deer stalk? I think a half day stalk is US $175, what does that include?

A little bit about Texas land ownership. First there are very few small acreage places available to hunt. This is mainly because the landowner and/or his family hunt it. Most huntable land is owned by timber companies in the eastern part of the state and rancher/farmers in the west. These are usually Hundreds, if not thousands of acers. Some of these are low fenced with free ranging game. Many are under high game proof fencing. Native game is considered property of the landowner, but seasons and limits are set by the state. Texas has a five deer no more than two buck limit, but there are many exceptions. All game belongs to the shooter

Generally there are three ways to hunt these lands. One, is to own your own land or to be lucky enough to have a family member or friend that does.
Another is to lease. These leases can run from $15 up per acre depending on size and amenities. 1000 acres @ $15,000 will get you a decent, low fenced deer lease, with the right to shoot ten bucks and as probably twice as many does or spikes. Typically a lease of this size prefers one to shoot only 8pt or better bucks. A lease of this size will be leased by 8-10 hunters. Larger acreage might be a little cheaper. It mainly is based on availability and quality of game. Amenities might be none, to running water and electricity for trailers, to an old farm house. Obviously the better amenities the more money. The same lease under high fence with better trophy management will be more, sometimes much more. Smaller leases tend to be more money and less restrictive on game taken as they are often adjacent to larger tracts and hope to benefit from deer grossing the fence, so to speak. They tend to be hit or miss as to quantity and quality of game. Prices are all over the place. I've been on several, but they just didn't produce. A friend, has a small 50acre tract that he kills 3-4 deer and the same number of pigs off of for cheap.

The third way is by day lease or guided hunting or a combination of both. A day lease is basically where one pays by day (duh) to hunt depending on price one is restricted by quality and/or quantity of game. $250-$350 per day will usually get one a doe. Or, $250 per day plus $150 per doe. Bucks are more, sometimes much more, depending on quality. A representative whitetail $850-$1250, what might be considered a bronze medal (this is just a guess) $3000. A BC (Boone&Crockett) $6000-$10000.

The above is for native game, in Texas. Other states can be totally different.

Non-native game, 'exotics', are pretty much considered cattle, unless they escape. They then belong to whoever's land they are on. The most common non deer species are Feral goats and pigs, mixed breed sheep, mouflon, and blackbuck. The most common exotic deer are axis, fallow, sika, red deer and elk. The non-deer species are generally cheaper than the deer. Most of these are taken under high fence ranches Because landowners realize the better the trophy, the more the money, most of these are let mature. Again, I'm not exactly sure of the gold, silver, bronze medal system, but I don't believe anything below bronze is taken. Occasionally obvious culls are taken. Most of the trophy hunts are taken on guided hunts. they usually include the cost of the guide and may include food and lodging. Sometimes the lodging can be most extravagant. A decent trophy hunt with one staying in a hotel, can be had for a trophy fee of $2500-$3500. This might or might not include guide fees. These usually rum $250+- per day. To get a real trophy Stag or bull, add a thousand or two to these prices. there are some free ranging exotics. they belong to the landowner the prives and quality of the trophy may be less, because the deer may be gone tomorrow.

How does a common man hunt. It's not all that hard, if one doesn't hunt horns. if one must have horns, hunt less and save. I am a good example. I know that they are not deer but hogs are plentiful and considered pests on many ranches. A hog hunt alone costs $150-$200 per day and can be hunted at night. I have lights and tend to stay in my blind several hours after dark. We hunt over feeders and this has allowed me ot take two hogs on more than one occasion. as for does/hinds, they can be had for $350, maybe a little more, for the smaller deer. Hinds are around $600, elk cows $1100 or so. Most places allow free hogs after your deer is taken.

I hope that this hasn't bored you too much. capt david
 
Interesting read, is there no public land in Texas as most states seem to have plenty (or at least that's what I was lead to believe)?
 
You should never ask a retired history teacher that!!!!!! At one time Texas was a part of Mexico. Anglo Americans, some legally most not, flooded in Soon they decided that some foreign government shouldn't be telling what to do. Kind of like that King George thing! Oops, sorry! Anyway after the Alamo and San Jacinto Texas won their independence and became an independent country. several years later Texas, by treaty, became a state. Texas has several 'perks' other states don't have. A big one is that Texas retained all of its public lands. These were given to repay or sold to pay off debts. Hence there is very little US owned public land. There is some that has been donated or sold by individuals but compared to other states the percentage is small. Some state parks and small National parts are hunted by draw, run by Texas Parks and Wildlife. capt david
 
That was an interesting read David, I have had a couple of invites over the years to hunt in Texas, but too be honest I am addicted to Montana, where I will be going in a few days time, lots of public land, but of course it's under threat to be sold off eventually, but as I understand it there a lot of great groups that fight hammer and tongue to stop it ever happening, or at least restrict it.

Cheers


Richard
 
Very interesting. Makes our stalking seem quite reasonable really. Like many on here I have spent a small fortune on stalking over the years. Enough to buy a little bit of land I would think! However I've had a great time and don't begrudge any of it (apart from a couple of arms rambles I've been on).
So for the average working man in Texas I presume those costs are seen as fairly high are they David?
 
Understand that Texas is it's world, even within the United States. What he describes is all true, but is not the norm for the rest of the US. This is not to belittle TX (how could you ever belittle a state that large anyhow) - but just to state that it is quite unique.

There are many things that make TX desirable, but with hunting it has almost always been a "pay to play" state. Another unique aspect to TX is that it has more game/exotic auctions than the rest of the US combined. Some of the big holdings have taken deer genetics to levels that are hard to believe, with straws of semen of some exceptional bucks selling for more than some of us would pay for a hunt. They also routinely by/sell/move exotics (defined as any non-native species) as livestock and some ranches have larger herds of exotics than exist in the original home country.
 
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Very interesting read! Thanks Capt'! Here in the UK all land is effectively privately-owned. Either by private individuals, the Crown, Ministry of Defence, or various Trusts such as Scottish/English National Heritage, etc, or the Forestry Commission, etc. We have no Public Access hunting available at all (although I believe various parts of the foreshore below the high water mark are available for wildfowling? I'm not sure if these are all available any longer though?) Private farmers/landowners who own the sporting rights can allow individuals or groups onto their land at their own discretion, and any legal quarry can be taken (depending on seasons and the appropriate firearms/shotgun license being held) Public Liability insurance is not obligatory in these cases, but the majority of responsible shooters will have it anyway. And apart from shotguns, quarry species are subject to calibre limitations, with the minimum deer-legal calibre effectively being .243 in England and Wales (although a .22 cf can be used for Muntjac and Chinese Water Deer?), and a .22 cf in Scotland (for roe deer only).

Game shooting and stalking can be had as part of organised syndicates too, with the lease being held and paid for by a group of guns. Both types of shooting can also be had on a daily basis, with either a fixed price-per-bird for pheasant, partridge, duck, etc, or a fee for either accompanied, or unaccompanied stalking. Deer are not owned by anybody until shot, when the carcass becomes the legal property of the landowner who has the discretion as to how it is disposed of (generally it becomes the property of the leaseholder as part of the agreement). Fees vary depending on the number of outings (morning, evening, or both), the quarry (red, sika, fallow, roe, muntjac, CWD, or boar), and whether a buck, stag, doe, or hind is to be taken. And, of course, there are also trophy stalks, with fees dependent on the trophy size. Then there are the vast differences between Highland hill stalking for reds, and Woodland stalking for roe (for example) in the South of England.

Not forgetting there are a plethora of potential conditions an FAC can be subject to also, depending on the issuing police force. In Scotland though, for the most part, these conditions are more or less unused in favour of issuing an open FAC and 'All Lawful Quarry'.

I've tried to give you a decent answer, although I'm sure there will be a gap or two in the above, but I'm equally sure someone will be along to fill them :-D
 
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