Latest on Moderators being removed from FACs

[mammoth200]

I'm looking forward to DIY moderators when the law changes.

I've seen some absolutely wild looking mods printed up using powder deposition printing, thinking of designing your own? Wondering if I should start improving my CAD skills and looking into fluid dynamics, get ahead of the curve!

 

[Dalua]

I'm looking forward to DIY moderators when the law changes.

Is the current law an impediment to DIY moderators?

 

[takbok]

I've seen some absolutely wild looking mods printed up using powder deposition printing, thinking of designing your own? Wondering if I should start improving my CAD skills and looking into fluid dynamics, get ahead of the curve!

Yeah keen to make myself some simple aluminium/stainless moderators using lathe and welder - nothing world changing, and of course 3d printed 22lr mods.

 

[takbok]

Is the current law an impediment to DIY moderators?

The fact they need to be recorded on FAC is enough of an impediment to me.

I enquired with my FEO and BASC about making my own rifle a few years back and the silence was deafening.

 

[12gsnapcaps]

Yeah keen to make myself some simple aluminium/stainless moderators using lathe and welder - nothing world changing, and of course 3d printed 22lr mods.

I'm not aware of it being illegal currently? Providing you have an FAC and an empty slot for the moderator you're intending to build. Proofing would be another matter.

Air rifle moderators are home made around the country on a regular basis.

 

[Dalua]

The fact they need to be recorded on FAC is enough of an impediment to me.

Only if they're attached to a S1 firearm, though?-

 

[takbok]

Only if they're attached to a S1 firearm, though?-

Well that would be the whole point of making a moderator. I'll wait until the law changes.

 

[enfieldspares]

I'm looking forward to DIY moderators when the law changes.

Is that the oil filter version or the 1.5 litre "one shot" plastic drinks bottle version?

 

[Rhodesianjess]

Is that the oil filter version or the 1.5 litre "one shot" plastic drinks bottle version?

One of the best rimfire moderator I've ever seen was homemade.
Length of pipe with washers inside at 1 inch or so intervals and a 1/2 UNF nut welded or brazed to one end.
Worked better than my SAK to my ears.

 

[WW.]

There is a very simple solution to avoiding all the hassles of keeping rifles secure and having to do lots of paperwork on renewals etc.

Don’t have an FAC and don’t have rifles.

Plenty of people who enjoy stalking go through all their lives not owning a rifle. They stalk with guides using the estate rifle.

These days to get an FAC and buy a rifle and optics you will be looking at spending £3000, perhaps £5000.

At £300 to £500 a day, two or three days a year that is quite a bit of deer stalking over a few years.

Doable for under 1k buying second hand.

 

[Heym SR20]

Go and look in the classifieds here. You can pick up a stalking setup for a fraction of that

You can, but - dont quote exact fees but:

FAC application fee £75
Doctors letter - £100 to £150
DSC1 - course plus test £250
Rifle - £800 for a decent 2nd hand T3, or basic new Howa.
Scope - another £500 to £1,000
Decent set of rings - £200
Moderator, bipod and sling - £500
Cabinet - £200

It soon adds up. Of course you can do it cheaper, but the cost of getting a firearm soon adds up. And its not just the cost of actual gun.

 

[WW.]

You can, but - dont quote exact fees but:

FAC application fee £75
Doctors letter - £100 to £150
DSC1 - course plus test £250
Rifle - £800 for a decent 2nd hand T3, or basic new Howa.
Scope - another £500 to £1,000
Decent set of rings - £200
Moderator, bipod and sling - £500
Cabinet - £200

It soon adds up. Of course you can do it cheaper, but the cost of getting a firearm soon adds up. And its not just the cost of actual gun.

FAC costs way more than that.
Drs. Letter was £50 for me.
Plenty of decent older rifles with scopes go on here for far less than that, some virtually free, potentially with some or all of mod/bipod/sling, but second hand of those are often here too- plenty of old Swaro or S+B scopes for a fraction of the price you mentioned anyway.
Plenty of cabinets on here for far less than that.
DSC1 fair enough.

As long as you're not a kit tart then it doesn't have to spiral out of control so not necessarily cheaper to just book stalking. Potentially less hassle maybe.

 

[Heym SR20]

I'm looking forward to DIY moderators when the law changes.

Great idea - have you ever been next to a moderator when it lets go. I have and its very unpleasant. Knocked me to the ground. I was standing to one side videoing it being shot. The shooter got a huge amount of gas and powder particles back in his face. The moderator went 50 yards down the range.

I recall it was a heavy steel one where weld around the threaded fixing failed.

There have been a number of failures with other brands as well.

A moderator is subject to lot of of pressure and heat.

Sure you can make one out of an oil filter or a bit of scaffolding pipe, and it will probably work for a time.

But on stalking rifle or even more so a rifle used on a range it will have to endure several thousand rounds.

 

[Deerhunter22]

There is a very simple solution to avoiding all the hassles of keeping rifles secure and having to do lots of paperwork on renewals etc.

Don’t have an FAC and don’t have rifles.

Plenty of people who enjoy stalking go through all their lives not owning a rifle. They stalk with guides using the estate rifle.

These days to get an FAC and buy a rifle and optics you will be looking at spending £3000, perhaps £5000.

At £300 to £500 a day, two or three days a year that is quite a bit of deer stalking over a few years.

If anyone anything the only thing your saving yourself is the hassle of getting the license. Like anything depends how much you want it, if you want something get it. You live once, enjoy your life and enjoy your interests whether it leaves you out of pocket or not, no hobby ever offers an ROI. Shootings not an investment like any other sport

You can buy a rifle for £600 to get started sometimes with a Mod, a SH S&B for £200 odds and some £100 scope rings
Medical where I am £30 and license now £170 or something not sure for dual license for 5 years and going forward it’s just the cost of renewal
Syndicate for £500 like I have one
Go as much as I want, when I want, hunt what I want including with the shotgun

Defo worth having a license, and like anything hobby’s never offer a cost saving/return. That’s why it’s a hobby, I want to setup a Marine fish tank. May aswell never have one cause it’s gonna cost minimum £500 but I can just go to the fish shop to look by your logic

Don’t deter people getting there license, we need more people in our sport otherwise it will dwindle to nothing like politicians want

 

[takbok]

Great idea - have you ever been next to a moderator when it lets go. I have and its very unpleasant. Knocked me to the ground. I was standing to one side videoing it being shot. The shooter got a huge amount of gas and powder particles back in his face. The moderator went 50 yards down the range.

I recall it was a heavy steel one where weld around the threaded fixing failed.

There have been a number of failures with other brands as well.

A moderator is subject to lot of of pressure and heat.

Sure you can make one out of an oil filter or a bit of scaffolding pipe, and it will probably work for a time.

But on stalking rifle or even more so a rifle used on a range it will have to endure several thousand rounds.

Stop being a nimby. This attitude is far too prevalent in Britain IMO.

 

[Heym SR20]

If anyone anything the only thing your saving yourself is the hassle of getting the license. Like anything depends how much you want it, if you want something get it. You live once, enjoy your life and enjoy your interests whether it leaves you out of pocket or not, no hobby ever offers an ROI. Shootings not an investment like any other sport

You can buy a rifle for £600 to get started sometimes with a Mod, a SH S&B for £200 odds and some £100 scope rings
Medical where I am £30 and license now £170 or something not sure for dual license for 5 years and going forward it’s just the cost of renewal
Syndicate for £500 like I have one
Go as much as I want, when I want, hunt what I want including with the shotgun

Defo worth having a license, and like anything hobby’s never offer a cost saving/return. That’s why it’s a hobby, I want to setup a Marine fish tank. May aswell never have one cause it’s gonna cost minimum £500 but I can just go to the fish shop to look by your logic

Don’t deter people getting there license, we need more people in our sport otherwise it will dwindle to nothing like politicians want

Many seem to endlessly complain about the hassle and cost of Firearms Licensing and how they have to get doctors certificates and remember your speeding tickets from the last century etc etc.

All I was suggesting is that if you are an occasional stalker you don’t necessarily need to go all in.

I enjoy Salmon Fishing. I am lucky enough to get invited for two or three days every couple of years. I don’t worry about all the gear, all costs and maintenance of the beat, the paths, the boats etc etc. I turn up and enjoy two or three days of bliss pottering along a river bank with a fishing rod in my hand. And go home with good memories.

In return I invite my host to join me every now and then for a couple of days stalking. He loves it - he turns up and we go stalking.

I love my deer stalking and my rifles and the commitment that it requires to own firearms and to take on land to manage deer. But it can rather take over your life.

 

[Chris Richardson]

You can, but - dont quote exact fees but:

FAC application fee £75
Doctors letter - £100 to £150
DSC1 - course plus test £250
Rifle - £800 for a decent 2nd hand T3, or basic new Howa.
Scope - another £500 to £1,000
Decent set of rings - £200
Moderator, bipod and sling - £500
Cabinet - £200

It soon adds up. Of course you can do it cheaper, but the cost of getting a firearm soon adds up. And its not just the cost of actual gun.

Don’t need to to a course to go deerstalking

 

[12gsnapcaps]

Don’t need to to a course to go deerstalking

I've been stalking in the UK and abroad for 15 years and never taken a DSC1. Will only take it if i'm at some point required to. It is NOT a necessity for the large majority of Section 1 shooters/stalkers.

 

[VSS]

You can, but - dont quote exact fees but:

FAC application fee £75
Doctors letter - £100 to £150
DSC1 - course plus test £250
Rifle - £800 for a decent 2nd hand T3, or basic new Howa.
Scope - another £500 to £1,000
Decent set of rings - £200
Moderator, bipod and sling - £500
Cabinet - £200

It soon adds up. Of course you can do it cheaper, but the cost of getting a firearm soon adds up. And its not just the cost of actual gun.

About £350 quid was what it cost me to get set up with rifle, scope, bipod, clothing, binos, boots etc enough to start stalking.
(Although I've spent a fair bit more since).
It would still be doable for £500.

 

[bob_lee_swagger]

Great idea - have you ever been next to a moderator when it lets go. I have and its very unpleasant. Knocked me to the ground. I was standing to one side videoing it being shot.

Post the video please. Id be interested to see that